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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. Swamplizard

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    Bet he had to change his britches insane air strike video


     
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  2. mjbuf05

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    HOLY SH**
     
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  3. gogator7444

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    Of course, 3 idiots...CNN live

    "US House passes symbolic resolution of support for Ukraine

    From CNN's Kristin Wilson and Ellie Kaufman, with additional reporting from Ali Zaslav

    The House overwhelmingly voted 426-3 to approve a resolution declaring their support for Ukraine as the country continues to fend off a week-long Russian invasion.

    Three Republican members, Rep. Tom Massie of Kentucky, Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona, and Rep. Matt Rosendale of Montana, voted against the resolution.

    The resolution, co-sponsored by Ukrainian-born Rep. Victoria Spartz of Indiana, “demands an immediate cease-fire and the full withdrawal of Russian forces from Ukrainian territory” and “supports, unequivocally, Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity,” and presses to send security assistance to help Ukraine fight the Russians."
     
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  4. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Yeah, I’d like to hear from these guys. Why did you vote no exactly.
     
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  5. oragator1

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    well Gosar had said this previously;

    Gosar also wrote an op-ed for the Prescott eNews attackingBiden for his stance on Russia’s invasion, stating that the “US has no interests in this area” and should instead focus on migrant crossings at the Southern border.

    And in another tweet from last week, Gosar seemed to attack NATO—an alliance Putin loathes and wants to see collapse—and again try to redirect attention to issues at the US border: “We should just call ourselves Ukraine and then maybe we can get NATO to engage and protect our border.”

    Paul Gosar and Other Republicans Downplay Putin’s Invasion of Ukraine - The Copper Courier.
     
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  6. gogator7444

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    Here's the rest of it...it was kind of long for 1 post:

    "The US has given more than $1 billion in total security assistance to Ukraine over the past year including an additional aid package of $350 million authorized last week after the Russian invasion of Ukraine began, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a statement on Feb. 26.

    The 17-point resolution also affirms the United States’ “ironclad commitment” to Article 5 of the NATO charter, which states that an attack on one NATO nation is an attack on all, with a mutual pledge to defend all other NATO nations, and warns Russian President Vladimir Putin that “it will never recognize or support any illegitimate Russian-controlled leader or government installed through the use of force.”

    The move by the House follows a similar tack taken by the Senate in mid-February, when they unanimously approved a symbolic resolution condemning Russia for its aggressive actions towards Ukraine. That resolution was agreed to by a voice vote after the Senate failed to move a binding package of sanctions against Russia and its interests.

    Biden administration officials have said they will continue to provide aid to Ukraine, and some lawmakers have called for additional humanitarian, lethal and non-lethal assistance to be sent amid Russia’s ongoing invasion of the country."

    I dont see anything in there that someone would object to.
     
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  7. orangeblue_coop

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    Since we’re removing Russian products from stores, can we also remove obvious Russian assets from Congress?
     
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  8. carpeveritas

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    Question - who will compensate the retailer for goods that have already been paid for?
     
  9. gogator7444

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    Declare a loss on taxes? No idea btw, just guessing.
     
  10. carpeveritas

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    My guess is what ever they have in stock is being sold. The argument that products are being pulled from the shelves is a misnomer. From a sanctions stand point there should be no products coming in. Availability versus stock is very different than pulling stuff from the shelves and to be honest I haven't seen any items in the stores with a made in Russia label.
     
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  11. oragator1

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    From the BBC:


    The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court has announced he has opened an investigation into potential war crimes by Russia during its invasion of Ukraine.

    Karim Khan wrote that in a "preliminary examination of the Situation in Ukraine, my Office had already found a reasonable basis to believe crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court had been committed, and had identified potential cases that would be admissible".

    The chief prosecutor said on Monday he intended to seek authorisation from the court's presidency to open the inquiry, but a referral by the UK and 38 other nations to the court meant he now intended to launch the investigation immediately.
     
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  12. PITBOSS

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    “The US has delivered hundreds of Stinger missiles to Ukraine over the last few days, including more than 200 on Monday, according to a US official and a congressional source briefed on the matter. …..Estimates of Russian casualties vary; Ukraine on Wednesday said 6,000 Russians have been killed or wounded, while US sources familiar with the intelligence say the assessment is closer to 2,000 or 3,000.”

    but the war is ultimately looking dire for Ukraine .

    US officials warn Russia will increasingly hit civilian targets and seek 'slow annihilation' of Ukraine's military - CNNPolitics
     
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  13. l_boy

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    Who says somebody needs to compensate them? It’s the risk of doing business there.
     
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  14. charliecasey

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    . Where’s Joe McCarthy when you need him.
     
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  15. WarDamnGator

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    Other than vodka, what is russia making that people in the US buy off shelves? I looked it up and their 10 biggest exports are basically oil/gas & raw materials. Fish, wheat, and computer equipment, are also up there, mostly to their neighbors in Asia.
     
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  16. carpeveritas

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    What am I missing here. Read post #2791. BTW I'm curious what products do you buy that have a made in Russia label on them?
     
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  17. RealGatorFan

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    First major blow to Ukraine:

    Kherson has fallen to the Russians.

    The mayor of the Ukrainian city of Kherson Ihor Kolykhaiev has said that the Ukrainian military is no longer in the city and that its inhabitants must now carry out the instructions of “armed people who came to the city’s administration” — indicating that the city has now fallen under Russian control.

    The announcement on his Facebook page follows several days of pressure on Kherson by Russian forces who had surrounded the city.

    Kherson is a strategically important city on an inlet from the Black Sea with a population of nearly 300,000. On Wednesday in Kyiv, the mayor had disputed Russian claims of control saying Ukrainian forces were still fighting in parts of the city. The new posting said Ukrainian forces had left.

    The mayor also told the New York Times in an interview that a group of about 10 armed Russian officers, including the commander of forces attacking the city, entered the city hall building Wednesday. He said he was informed by the Russian officers that they were planning to set up a new administration similar to those in two Russian-backed separatist enclaves in eastern Ukraine, according to the NY Times interview.
     
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  18. l_boy

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    Who said I buy Russian goods? I have no idea if I do or not.

    I do have a mutual fund international small cap and some emerging market funds that have probably taken a nice hit. But such is life.
     
  19. carpeveritas

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    Agree and not all of that comes to the US. Our wheat imports come from Canada. Fish I can understand but then again it's not as if we don't have our own fishing industry. Computer equipment is at a premium so what ever is there will be sold and used. Oil is still being imported as that's carved out. Any raw materials we currently jave will be used to make final products.
     
  20. sierragator

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    Ship their sorry asses to Moscow so they can kiss Putin's ass in person.
     
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