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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. gogator7444

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    This is from a few days ago...still...I don't remember if anyone posted about it.

    Heroic Ukrainian soldier blows himself up on bridge to prevent Russian advance

    "When the battalion decided that the only way to block the armored column was by blowing up the bridge, Volodymyrovych volunteered to place mines on the span, the General Staff of the Armed Forces said.

    And when he realized he had no time to get to safety, the brave soldier made the ultimate sacrifice on the bridge, which connected Russian-occupied Crimea and mainland Ukraine."
     
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  2. duchen

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    Chechnya, Ukraine and Georgia were attacked and they are not part of NATO. And Russia has not attacked a nATO country yet. I would also note that if every European country would surrender to Russia, we could avoid war too.
     
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  3. OklahomaGator

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    I believe the Monroe Doctrine applies to European colonialism in the Western Hemisphere. I think you are thinking of Article V in the NATO agreement.
     
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  4. BLING

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    Interesting. What do you think that means?
     
  5. GatorBen

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    The entire reason the former Soviet states want to join NATO is because they’re worried Russia will invade them. So we should refuse to let them join NATO because … we’re worried Russia might invade them if we do?

    Russia’s position on this is no more nuanced than “if you’d stop trying to protect yourself from me I wouldn’t have to hit you.”

    [​IMG]
     
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  6. gator_lawyer

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    And Ukraine is only at war because Putin invaded unprovoked.
     
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  7. mutz87

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    The point of NATO is to protect member states in the case of future wars. But here, Ukraine hasn't even been admitted to NATO and look at what we got, a war. That he doesn't like it is not NATO provoking war, it's his using war to seize another country.
     
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  8. G8trGr8t

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    He should use his money to bring a well trained group with him
     
  9. OklahomaGator

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    Very interesting, could really be messing with the Russians now.
     
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  10. GatorBen

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    The simple answer is just don’t want folks to know where we are anymore.

    But from looking at developments today, they’re likely supporting the “EU fighter jets” Poland, Romania, and Bulgaria are sending to Ukraine (and I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those had “volunteer” EU pilots in them under Ukraine’s policy announced this morning that they are happy to let other European nationals join “foreign brigades” of Ukraine’s armed forces).

    There’s also very likely a lot of very advanced NATO hardware in the air just inside NATO airspace.
     
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  11. BLING

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    The solution to this dilemma is quite simple, don’t invade Ukraine.

    As if there was any doubt, by invading Ukraine - Putin proved the very need for NATO’s existence. By threatening Finland and Sweden he proved he’s an out of control madman.

    Putin doesn’t get to dictate which alliances sovereign nations join, whether they are former Soviet republics or otherwise. About the only fair point of contention is over Nukes, but as Ukraine is a non-nuclear power this should not have been at issue. Ukraine would never have nukes pointed at Russia either way.
     
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  12. carpeveritas

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    The US has used the Monroe Doctrine many times since it's inception in 1823.

    Monroe Doctrine

    During the Cold War era, President John F. Kennedy invoked the Monroe Doctrine during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, when he ordered a naval and air quarantine of Cuba after the Soviet Union began building missile-launching sites there. In the 1980s, President Ronald Reagan similarly used the 1823 policy principle to justify U.S. intervention in El Salvador and Nicaragua, while his successor, George H.W. Bush, similarly sanctioned a U.S. invasion of Panama to oust Manuel Noriega.​
     
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  13. BLING

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    The guy is straining really hard to find the “Putin is a genius” angle in all this.
     
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  14. g8rjd

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    Condi Rice addresses that with Fox News. The music really makes this clip.

     
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  15. OklahomaGator

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    I think she was talking about Putin uniting NATO, not Biden.
     
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  16. l_boy

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    Somewhere when nobody was watching somebody did a Trump sharpie map maneuver that brought in NATO to the Northern Hemisphere. Given Trump already claimed Greenland it just made sense.
     
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  17. gatorzilla91

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    At this point how much longer can Russia keep this going?
    Even if they “win” the entire world wants nothing to do with them now.
     
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  18. g8rjd

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    I didn’t say she wasn’t.
     
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  19. uftaipan

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    That’s still just for the Western Hemisphere.
     
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  20. exiledgator

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    Yep. Biden deserves some credit here though.

    His airing of intelligence took the rug right out from under Putin, taking any possible moral or political justification away and it worked. The world wasn't fooled and the global response has been refreshing, to be honest

    Except of course, some of our elected representatives and their constituents. But maybe their treasonous ways will be rejected by enough to sideline that insanity. There will always be whack doodles, let's just keep em outta gov
     
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