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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. WC53

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    Okay, that was well played :)
     
  2. citygator

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    Politics of the right is WWE. Ted Cruz case in point. It’s all for show. It’s all for ratings. There is zero substance in it. A cool sound bite, tagline, and a meme is all ya need.
     
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  3. gator_lawyer

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    It's amusing to watch people try to argue that Putin preferred Biden, when the authoritarian loser interfered in two Presidential elections to try and help Trump. Also, Russia's military has surpassed ours? L-O-L. What a silly claim.
     
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  4. orangeblue_coop

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    Don't worry, Trump will be calling the men, women and children of Ukraine "losers" any moment now, while his sheep squeal in delight.
     
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  5. 92gator

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    Lotta good stuff in that post, but I have to take exception to the bolded there.

    We would annihilate Russia in a head to head conventional war, in very short order.

    Putin doesn't want a ground war--he just knows damn well we haven't the fortitude nor the foolishness to engage, when nukes are the desperate loser's must deply end strategy. IOW, MAD.

    If he wants conventional war, it's there for the picking--see if he dares penetrate the sacred NATO wall. Of course he won't, and dares not--and this is shown in why he's going into Ukraine now, and not risking them being admitted to NATO.

    jmho/fwiw.
     
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  6. orangeblue_coop

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    All they have to do is come up with a simple, catchy 3-word slogan like:

    Let's Go Brandon
    Lock Her Up
    Build The Wall

    And sit back and watch as the sheep squeal in delight.
     
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  7. gogator7444

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    For Putin supporters...if they were coming in as peacekeepers and to liberate Ukraine, why aren't people fleeing TOWARDS Russia?
     
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  8. wgbgator

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    Its all those things. Americanism seems to be the idea that only we are allowed to act in the world (NATO expansion) without being acted upon in return (Russian expansion). That other nations find it easier to go along with that idea than resist it doesnt vindicate anything. When we are acted upon, its seems merely to fuel our belief that our actions are at least righteous in motive, irrelvant to the outcome of events, if indeed not wholely justified and necessary.
     
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  9. RealGatorFan

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    True. But we must limit the damage and understand Ukraine is now part of Russia. No use trying to win Ukraine back. Will this be his only invasion or does he have other aspirations?
     
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  10. mutz87

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    Why should we recognize that at all? I honestly don't get it. That would be acquiescing to his baseless justifications.

    For instance, if he has other similar plans, should the world also recognize x countries as no longer being sovereign?
     
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  11. Tjgators

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    CNN takes are not real. Take away the airports and who really watches them anyway.
     
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  12. g8rjd

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    In addition to aiding the armed forces, preparing for a civilian guerrilla resistance, no doubt.
     
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  13. g8rjd

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    Sounds like Germany and Italy may be finally getting on board.

     
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  14. WC53

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    My question on this, do you think we see other countries set up their own group network to bypass this process, move to more crypto, etc.
     
  15. mutz87

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    Well clearly we aren't the only ones that have acted in the world. I have some agreement about our problematical role going back many moons. Yet, NATO expansion is not wrong. And look, I'm no fan of war, almost all of choice and yes with outcomes in a sense being irrelevant.

    Same time, we should have a duty to act in the interests of protecting other countries. I'm not a fan of isolationism. Maybe we don't get into a war with Russia, but they def deserve to fought back against. Even less justification than ours w/Iraq, sold also on a pack of lies.
     
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    Your post is spot on, except for the “lotta good stuff in that post” line you started out with.

    Putin’s aim has been at rebuilding the Russian empire. This is why he is against NATO expansion. This is why Trump was his boy. This is why he invaded Georgia in 2008. Installed a puppet Ukraine govt in 2009 (before being ousted in 2014). He wanted those countries to be there for the taking, or at least “influencing” without any hope of western ideas of freedom. Ukraine had been trending towards slipping away from 2014-2022.

    With an elected govt and sanity restored in the NATO sphere (Trump ousted), this attack is clearly to prevent Ukraine from remaining a western oriented democracy. To prevent the possibility of them joining NATO going forward. Something they had been idealizing under Zelensky.
     
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    So you went from saying Russia’s military is better than the USA and/or NATO; to claiming we should just give up on a democratic Ukraine.

    So you’re like this boards version of Chamberlain...
     
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  18. Trickster

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    Then there's this:
    (CNN)Elise Stefanik is the third-ranking Republican in the House for one main reason: Her unstinting loyalty to Donald Trump. And she hasn't forgotten that fact. While many of her GOP colleagues were heavily ridiculing Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday for his invasion of Ukraine, Stefanik took a different tack, focusing her criticism on President Joe Biden and laying Russian aggression at his feet.
    Here's the key bit of her statement:
    "After just one year of a weak, feckless, and unfit President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief, the world is less safe. Rather than peace through strength, we are witnessing Joe Biden's foreign policy of war through weakness. For the past year, our adversaries around the world have been assessing and measuring Joe Biden's leadership on the world stage, and he has abysmally failed on every metric. From kinetic and deadly attacks on our allies and partners, to the catastrophic withdrawal and surrender in Afghanistan, to the cyber attacks impeding American industry and infrastructure, to today's Russian invasion of Ukraine, Joe Biden and his Administration have failed America and the world."
    While Stefanik went on to call Putin a "war criminal" and a "deranged thug," the bulk of her statement was dedicated to excoriating Biden.
    A decade ago, the notion of calling a president of the United States "unfit" in the wake of the most serious invasion in Europe since World War II would have been unthinkable for members of either party.
    But Trump's four years in office have changed all calculations of how politics can and should be conducted -- even in a moment of war."

    Her triad is almost unheard of because its as close as one can come to 'aiding and abetting' yet avoid indictment.
     
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  19. GatorBen

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    If you wanted to fault the administration for something that’s not a great look, this is the story: U.S. Officials Repeatedly Urged China to Help Avert War in Ukraine

    The US repeatedly presented China with intelligence about Russia’s troop build-up and asked them to talk Russia down, China went and gave it to Russia and told them the US was trying to sow discord and that China would not interfere with their plans.
     
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