Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf This is Feb. 23, 2022 for Wa. State. Please note it completely debunks your statements : "When we get the data we find that most deaths are fully vaccinated now." As in off by 7 times for 65+- the largest group for deaths. Also disproves : "Early on I would say that there was a small therapeutic benefit based on the data. Now…I don’t see much of any." As it shows all ages with multiples better outcomes with the vaccine. Somehow this data simply disputes nearly everything you posted.

 

Great news! Got my home tests from the government...by the way they're so scarce that they're selling covid tests at the gas station down the street.

By the way part deux, home tests are not valid for return to school. Have to get a rapid w PCR from an "authorized" facility for it to count.

 

Covid-19 is killing more people now than during most of the pandemic. Here's who's still at risk - CNN

A common refrain early in the pandemic was that Covid-19 was most deadly for the elderly and people with certain health conditions. The people dying from Covid-19 now tend to be younger than before, and they're overwhelmingly unvaccinated, experts say

"I've long since lost track of the number of people I've seen die of the disease, but the reality is that almost everybody who is critically ill, in the ICU or dying now remains unvaccinated. That has been true since the beginning. But in the beginning, people didn't have the opportunity to be vaccinated," said Dr. Stephen Threlkeld, medical director of the infectious diseases program at Baptist Memorial Health Care in Memphis.

 

That isn't the question that I asked.

To directly answer your question, unlike what you are willing to do, the person who cut their probability of dying by 40/41 that died with a Covid vaccine received no benefit, while the other 40 did. Quite a bit of benefit, assuming that you think being alive is of high value.

See, when you have actual math to back a point, it is easier to directly answer a question.

 

Aside from my refuting everything you then posted, you still failed to even attempt an answer to my question : "Since you are apparently trying to be honest this time ("Absolutely no need to be pushing these drugs onto people with natural immunity at this point. And honestly anyone really.")
Tell us honestly how the 60% of Americans that have one-4 comorbidities can safely achieve this wonderful natural immunity. Seems to me about 900K Americans were NOT able to achieve natural immunity, but I'll await your direction in that regard." Try harder.

 

Here is the month by month for England…

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/pe...januaryand31december2021/referencetable2.xlsx

I did use UK vaccination rate as that is the graph I could find and use the deaths numbers are England from Public Health England…


Fully Vaccinate deaths/Partially Vaccinate Deaths/Unvaccinated/Percent Of population fully vaccinated at the end of each month

December: 72.4% fully vaccinated covid deaths (1802)/2.9% partially vaccinated covid deaths (72)/unvaccinated covid deaths 24.7% (614)/Dec 31…70.6% of the population was fully vaccinated

November: 79.0% fully vaccinated covid deaths (2261)/2.3% partially vaccinated covid deaths (65)/unvaccinated covid deaths 18.7% (536)/Nov 30…69.0% of the population was fully vaccinated

October: 82.2% fully vaccinated covid deaths (2265)/2.6% partially vaccinated covid deaths (71)/unvaccinated covid deaths 15.2% (419)/Oct 31…68.0% of the population was fully vaccinated

September: 77.7% fully vaccinated covid deaths (2034)/3.6% partially vaccinated covid deaths (94)/unvaccinated covid deaths 18.7% (489)/September 30…66.9% of the population was fully vaccinated

August: 69.7% fully vaccinated covid deaths (1551)/4.3% partially vaccinated covid deaths (95)/unvaccinated covid deaths 26.0% (578)/Aug 31…63.8% of the population was fully vaccinated

July: 64.7% fully vaccinated covid deaths (750)/6.7% partially vaccinated covid deaths (78)/unvaccinated covid deaths 28.6% (331)/July…57.0% of the population was fully vaccinated

June: 52.2% fully vaccinated covid deaths (167)/17.5% partially vaccinated covid deaths (56)/unvaccinated covid deaths 30.3% (97)/June 30…48.9% of the population was fully vaccinated

May: 23.5% fully vaccinated covid deaths (70)/51.0% partially vaccinated covid deaths (152)/unvaccinated covid deaths 25.5% (76)/May 31…38.3% of the population was fully vaccinated

April: 7.8% fully vaccinated covid deaths (59)/61.1% partially vaccinated covid deaths (464)/unvaccinated covid deaths 31.2% (237)/April 30…22.3% of the population was fully vaccinated

March: 1.1% fully vaccinated covid deaths (35)/56.3% partially vaccinated covid deaths (1730)/unvaccinated covid deaths 42.6% (1309)/March 31…6.7% of the population was fully vaccinated

February: 0.5% fully vaccinated covid deaths (63)/38.3% partially vaccinated covid deaths (4800)/unvaccinated covid deaths 61.2% (7671)/Feb 28…1.2% of the population was fully vaccinated

January: 0.0% fully vaccinated covid deaths (11)/12.2% partially vaccinated covid deaths (3407)/unvaccinated covid deaths 87.7% (24411)/Jan 31…0.7% of the population was fully vaccinated

 

Now the elderly and obese are the ones that are high risk groups (obviously a few others but these two are likely the largest two). Vaccinated or Unvaccinated. The new drugs did not slow the spread. Delta and Omicron showed this. Booster up my friends.

 

Because you are lying. That's why. There is no lowering of risk in healthy kids. especially young children. Stop making up crap.

 

Q... care to explain your motivation for posting on this thread? This covid discussion mostly revolves around science and opinions on corresponding health policy decisions. You have swung and missed on the science part for a better part of a year. Yet you keep swinging. Why?

Do you feel it's necessary for someone to be the devil's advocate, no matter how unsupported by facts?
Are you seeking attention?
Did you have a bet with someone on most negative ratings received?
Does masochism figure into it somehow?
Do you think you're right and are unable to process counter arguments? Your reluctance to respond to simple factual questions is glaring.

I might be suffering from perspective bias, but I just don't understand.

Feel free to rate this as "funny".

 

So still unable to formulate an answer, but post less timely data from a different country, with a different vaccine, and no mention of the natural immunity question I posed ( seem to have a problem with answering MD as well).

 

Looks like they have something for the elderly and obese now.

Phase 3 Clinical Trial Confirms SaNOtize’s Breakthrough Treatment is 99% Effective Against COVID-19; Receives Regulatory Approval in India

and everyone else. i still think you guys should get those boosters every 4 months though.

 

Not lying. Though the risk for all kids are low, it's not zero. And a CDC study done last summer did find 2/3 of the kids hospitalized for COVID had at least 1 underlying condition, mostly obesity or asthma, 1/3 of the kids had no underlying condition. Here's a link.

Need more? Here's a Lancet study looking at pediatric COVID hospitalization and asthma. Having uncontrolled asthma did increase risk 3 - 6X for the kids. But this implies the risk isn't zero for kids without asthma.

Once again, the risk is low. But the vaccine reduces the risk even more. The risk of being hit by lightning is low too. But we don't encourage people to go out in a thunder storm and raise a 3-iron to the sky either.

 

I think a 1-iron is recommended in this scenario.

 

The unvaccinated are breathtakingly stupid.

 

Darwinism

 

That sounds great, but the fact that it only works in the nasal passages is a pretty major caveat. Might be the defacto drug for “early” treatment in infected patients. Possibly superior to any MAB’s of the numbers hold up. Still no great options once the disease enters the lungs (I.e. the people who are dying).

 

I just provided you the data from England. Booster up my friend.

 

You are LYING. There is a reason kids under 5 don't have a vaccine approved. Stop LYING. You are using fake numbers. Anything that doesn't account for "with covid" and "from covid" is useless. You know this and willfully lie. It's embarrassing.

 

I answered. The data speaks. It really is unfortunate we have a cdc that can’t provide something so simple as England has been able to.

 

Have no fear Maskers! The CDC is going to throw some more crap against the wall and make up some metrics and call it "science". Any trust that the CDC is gone for anyone with a brain.