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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. GatorBen

    GatorBen Premium Member

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    They’re MANPADS, so somewhere that you have people to carry them around and shoot them. They’re arguably more effective in a later guerilla type campaign (jump out and try to pop a helicopter or ground attack plane then run back for cover) than they are as trying to serve as a frontline AA system to counter an initial strategic bombing campaign.
     
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  2. 1990Gator

    1990Gator VIP Member

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    I don't see Putin or Biden in this picture so I guess it's off topic.

    Never mind, it's ok for you.
     
  3. carpeveritas

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    Russia has the means and resources to become self reliant and Russia has more than oil it can export. That's why my comment that it will take laong term for Russia to feel a pinch. Whether or not Russia can be squeezed economically is certainly up for debate. As for freezing accounts etc.. I don't Putin cares and has prepared for such actions over the years.

    Given President Biden's speech and him stating the sanctions will be implemented over time it's obvious this will not cause any disruption in Putin's plans.

    Russia’s Top 10 Exports

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  4. slightlyskeptic

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    I saw that earlier. But I would think the number would be higher in a target rich environment. Ukraine has a 215K man army. I’m hoping they are up for the fight. With 1000 anti tank javelins at their disposal I am hoping they use every one of them and inflict heavy damage. It remains to be seen but initial reports are disappointing.
     
  5. BLING

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    Right now the military targets are getting hit with missiles. There’s no question Russia has air superiority, and it’s not like Ukraine is going to lob missiles the other way. Ukraine military almost has to go into hiding, they can’t just sit at military installations which are all obvious targets.

    The question is what happens when the Russians move into the cities. How much of a fight can the Ukrainians put up in urban guerrilla style warfare.
     
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  6. g8rjd

    g8rjd GC Hall of Fame

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    Instead of getting all butthurt, just hit off topic and move on or just move on. It’s what most do with your posts anyway.
     
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  7. g8rjd

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    Sure hope this is true.

     
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  8. carpeveritas

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    From a city perspective disruption of power, water and food supplies is all that is needed.
     
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  9. gogator7444

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    Hopefully they've been arming themselves, too.
     
  10. slightlyskeptic

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    I saw video of a large helicopter assault on an airfield with reports of others. Of course I’m not saying that the Ukrainians can be everywhere with stingers but an airfield seems like it would be one of the places you would want to deploy them.
     
  11. surfn1080

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    I don't think sanctions do much but why is Biden not implementing the harshest of sanctions right away?
     
  12. g8rjd

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    The harshest sanction (and Biden tried to put a good face on it) is booting Russia from SWIFT. But that’s the EU market and we don’t control it. And Germans and Italians aren’t ready to go without 90% of their natural gas in the winter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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  13. BLING

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    Sounds like Italy and Germany need a little more convincing to do the SWIFT sanctions. Hopefully there is another round. I think Putin should be directly sanctioned as well. If this doesn’t qualify for a “head of state” to be slapped with sanctions, what does?
     
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  14. 1990Gator

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    Thanks for the tip, not butthurt at all - actually I'm using the funny emoji now, the come on man and off-topic emojis are retired to me - not because your post if funny, it's to signify that I'm laughing my ass of at you. :) Have a nice day :)
     
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  15. murphree_hall

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    Well, technically, I was actually talking to @g8rjd and you responded to me with a response that didn’t align with what I had said to him. You kind of jumped in and skewed the conversation.
     
  16. g8rjd

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    What did I miss? o_O
     
  17. Trickster

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    That's your problem, not his, and in these times, it's really sad you'd say that. We're all Americans and ought to be supporting our President.
     
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  18. gatorzilla91

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    Interesting…so I’m not allowed to be critical of the way he responded to questions by reporters?
     
  19. murphree_hall

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    We know what you meant by the funny emoji. You didn’t invent that annoying tactic.
     
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  20. murphree_hall

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    Nothing. :D
     
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