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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Trickster, Feb 21, 2022.

  1. fubar1

    fubar1 Premium Member

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    Good. Then let's drop any remaining vaccine mandates.
     
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  2. Trickster

    Trickster VIP Member

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    Thanks for the heads up. I hope the OP’s daughter is on the mild end of the spectrum, as is my 15 year old granddaughter. Who knows what causes it. I wouldn’t rule out anything from what I’ve learned about it.
     
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  3. l_boy

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    The problem is that the main arguments presented by the anti vaxers have been thoroughly debunked over the years. First it the MMR vaccine that was blamed for autism, and it was subsequently found that the person making this association did a fraudulent study. Any linkage has subsequently disproven.

    Then there was the thimiserol preservative argument. Thimiserol has trace amounts of mercury. But once again studies were done and found no significant association. Plus it was phased out of Childrens vaccines in the early 2000’s but autism diagnoses continued to increase.
     
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  4. Trickster

    Trickster VIP Member

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    Perhaps so at this point. I’m curious though, were you opposed to mask mandates from the beginning? Some were. If not, when did you begin opposing them?
     
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  5. fubar1

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    I wasn’t opposed to mask mandates for indoor events in the beginning. But the CDC guidance was clumsy and didn’t evolve quickly enough for it to keep up with common sense. Everyone with half a brain knew cloth masks weren’t worth a flip, at least not enough to qualify if a mask mandate was in place. Neck gaiters were even worse but weren’t banned or disqualified. So it became apparent after the first severaL months that cloth or surgical masks weren’t highly effective at controlling the spread and weren’t practical to mandate, especially on kids. But leaders, primarily progressive leaders just couldn’t quit the instinct to control. Still doing it in several large school districts across the country, and they’re going to pay for it in Nov.
     
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  6. Trickster

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    I don’t understand how some inevitably make any discussion about Covid political. I suppose they take their cue from Trump, who failed miserably at the outset of the pandemic and thereafter. I wonder why they never mention that when ranting about their freedoms.

    This leads me to ask: what were you enlightened non-progressives doing to deal effectively with the virus besides bitch about what others were doing and how your freedoms were being impacted?
     
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  7. l_boy

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    Ironically the Trump plan (if you want to call it that) was to basically do nothing and hurry up and get a vaccine out (along with “herd immunity”). Then the vaccine got out and his Peeps decided they didn't want it
     
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  8. fubar1

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    You asked a question and I gave you a fact-based, honest answer. Do you see conservative leaders backing senseless mask mandates or punitive financial and economic measures against those choosing not to vax? Do you see school districts in in conservative areas still senselessly requiring school children to mask up? So who's making it political at this point?

    You asked a question and I gave you a fact-based, honest answer. If you don't like it, I have some rocks in my backyard you can practice kicking.
     
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  9. Trickster

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    Yes, you did, but you couldn't stop and added this and made it political: "But leaders, primarily progressive leaders just couldn’t quit the instinct to control....and they’re going to pay for it in Nov." Moreover, I wasn't talking about now. Indeed, I even said "perhaps" you were correct about now. As for giving me an honest answer, you didn't. An honest answer would have been you begrudged the government telling you what to do and infringing upon what you believed was your freedom to do whatever you wanted during the pandemic at its worst. I suspect you wore a mask indoors only because many establishments, correctly believing your freedom ended where their noses began, wouldn't let you in without one.
     
  10. Gatorrick22

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    Yeah, it's good news to show how blood clots are becoming coincidentally close to the vaccine shots.
     
  11. Gatorrick22

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    You really believed them... that's the problem,.
     
  12. oragator1

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    Very little of that has much to do with the original post.
     
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  13. lacuna

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    If you have a link from a reliable news agency with information worth reading about this, I encourage you to post it. Having spent a total of 8 days in the past 2 weeks, hospitalized with a pulmonary embolism, partially collapsed left lung and a permanent 7% loss of function in that lung from the infarction, I for one, would be interested in reading about said link.

    My incident came within a week of having covid for the first time. Doctors treating me think there is, or may be an association, but it has been 6 months since my 2nd booster.
     
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  14. defensewinschampionships

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    I had heard a couple of times it was COVId itself-including my dad who had COVId then developed one in his leg.

    Why COVID-19 could be causing blood clots — and what you can do to lower your risk | Ohio State Health & Discovery
     
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  15. defensewinschampionships

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    I agree with you partially.

    Where I differ is the number of vaccines given to children now.

    I looked at my old vaccine record from let’s say 85-90 vs my sons in 2015-2020. He has something like 3 times more than I had. Not more types: 3 times more shots of the same vaccine.

    Also, while causation does not equal correlation, the incidence of autism is through the roof. I read somewhere (trying to find the link) that in the 90s one in 200 kids were on the spectrum. Now one in 6?
     
  16. BigCypressGator1981

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    How’d that work out?
     
  17. BigCypressGator1981

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    I think a lot of that has to do with the broadening of the spectrum. There are a lot of kids in the 80’s who were on today’s spectrum but weren’t considered to be on the spectrum at the time.
     
  18. antny1

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    I have always wondered how those who purportedly suffered reactions or complications to vaccines would fair against the actual virus itself. We know the havoc covid has reaked on some including pulmonary, hematological and neurological issues so are some people predisposed to more dramatic effects and if so are they subject to a higher rate of complications from the vaccine?
     
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    I’m not a rocket surgeon but here are my thoughts. (Personal observations)

    Both natural immunity and shots help with the effects of covid.
    Early on the Delta variant was a bad dude and killed a lot of elderly and immune compromised. Shots reduce the amount of people who died and the effects of the Delta variant.
    The recent variants are less deadly and can be fought off without vaccine assistance however having the boosters can help reduce the effects in some people.
    I’m hearing from a few doctors and friends who tell me about there doctors opinions that shots are not needed for the new variants.

    I’m an old guy and keep in touch with and meet for lunch lots of my friends from work. (I retired in 2007) Add them to my every day and week friend contacts and I get in contact with a significant amount of people. Most are in the 60 to 70 years old range. What I’m hearing is the ones who get covid and report it early and receive the antiviral covid drug have greatly reduced and much shorter effects from the omicron variant. They are also the ones who I’ve seen get covid again. Almost like a rebound? The others who ride it out and have effects for a week or two haven’t had another covid incident. Having said that I’m beginning to think the viral drug is knocking out the omicron variant and not letting the body have time to build up its natural resistance? Does that make sense to anyone else. At this point I think it’s better to bypass the antiviral shot, let omicron run its course, and the body build up its natural immunity.
     
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  20. tampagtr

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    God Bless
     
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