Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

I did not say the words 'DeSantis' or 'responsible' (despite your quotes that suggested I did). One could certainly call that bad faith and dishonesty (although maybe you really believe I said those things, who knows). In fact, one could say this might be a guilty conscious suggesting that I did say those thing.

I called it cherry picking when you cherry picked (by definition this is what you did, as you tried to cover for Florida having a higher death rate than the state you compared it to by specifically picking examples of states with higher death rates rather than randomly drawing from the list of all states) to cover up for the fact that your own point backfired. Sorry. Try again next time.

 

Of course it backfired on you.....very badly. Your point was that ....

Even though it was obviously an attempted gotcha' I asked you to continue on with your argument about age adjusted death rates and tell us what the numbers would have been for some other blue states for comparison to see what you might have to say about them in relation to Florida. Unfortunately for you those other states don't match up as well as the one you "cherry picked" yourself making your argument look stupid....which is what I said it was in the first place.

 

Nah, you chose the states when you made the comparison, not me. Now you are trying to pretend I did (dishonestly, of course). When it backfired on you, you then decided to cherry pick a set of states to match the point that you wanted to make (I mean, Pennsylvania is a swing state, not a "blue state" and you clearly didn't choose a random set of blue states but rather chose the highest death rate ones and compared it to a state that isn't the highest death rate swing state and wasn't chosen based upon its death rate).

But since you are interested in the topic, good article on the topic from earlier today:

Red Covid, an Update

 

Nah. You used age related deaths as a comparison, not me. Then you tried to weasel out of continuing your same line of "reasoning" after being slapped in the face with an unpleasant truth that left egg dripping from it. Then you try to continue and divert and obfuscate as you are known to do.

Whatevs, dude. You really do bore me. You're going to have to pick your own nits. I'm clean.

 

That is a pretty interesting graph. So skeptic would say that the red states did a much better job during the first few months. But that is nonsense, red states didn’t do anything any differently or better, they just happened to be more in southern and rural states that didn’t get hit as hard the first wave.

The change in trajectories when vaccines came along is pretty remarkable. The article references a Trump county in NJ where 1 out of every 200 has died of Covid.

 

Okay? I didn't claim that I didn't. I thought that was a reasonable variable on which to look at relative performance of the two states you selected to compare.

Haha, sure buddy. You made a comparison. I examined it in a way that you didn't want. So you tried to deflect to a carefully curated list of other states to hide from the point that I made.

As a recap, you made a comparison, I examined that comparison, you tried to deflect by cherry picking states based on death rates (the dependent variable in this analysis), then made a bunch of dishonest claims about what I said. Now, when faced with that, the best you have is that I am picking nits in pointing out where you were dishonest and/or acting in bad faith. Okay then.

 

Yeah, I actually know a lot about that county too. Huge elderly population that is largely Republican. Basically, it contains The Villages for people that don't want to leave the Northeast. Very Republican. Amazing that despite their elderly population (and the fact that many of the non-elderly residents rely on working with the elderly), they are refusing to take vaccinations. It really shows how deep the political delusions go.

 

FL still hasn't done better than at least 17 other states wrt covid deaths, including CA with its 10m more BHE than FL. If opening things up early, disallowing entities from enacting safety measures, and promoting mabs over vaccines was such a superior strategy, then FL should have had the lowest death and case rates in the country and would be a model that public health experts would flock to. Yet that's not the case.

Now you're pointing out things like school openings. Guess what, most states opened schools up or allowed local county levels to make decisions based on what was happening in the county at the time way back before the fall 2020-2021 school year started and have made multiple changes depending on the situtation. You may disagree with such strategies, but it's not only logical but a prudent PH response.

The issue is this: you and some others like that DeSantis opened things up sooner than other states. That's okay. But what you're trying to do is then use your feelings as evidence of FL doing better despite the numbers showing otherwise. That's not okay.

 

Good idea to not waste your time on a poster who has been on the wrong side of Covid from the beginning. I couldn’t imagine someone being so wrong about lockdowns, school closures and masks, but somehow he always is on the losing side of the debate.

And I don’t even want to bring up his brilliant defense of the trans Penn swimmer. Guy is on an epic heater of losing.

 

Actually, I did not attempt say that Florida "did better" than anyone. I think that kind of argument leads you down a rabbit hole that's difficult to prove one way or the other because there are too many variables that can effect it. Some here even related results to being "luck" which is also possible.....for places like California too. What I said was that taking into account all aspects as a whole, things like the early unmasking of kids, the opening of schools, the early concentration of elderly vaccinations and generally opening up the state, I think DeSantis did a good job and was no where near what he was claimed to be by the left. And the numbers in comparison to all the states bear that out.

 

I know what you're trying to say and my response is the same.I hink many of his choices were bad as public health leadership but played well politically for some. Maybe you don't seek to put him on the pedestal like some others here, but it's been persistent effort of your fellow travelers.

 

And I would argue that other governors implemented controls that were also political and draconian that made no real sense.

 

Remember when you spent pages arguing that Covid wasn't a disease after it had been around for well over a year because you said something stupid and couldn't admit it? Good times. BTW, that is an example of being wrong rather than just having a different opinion than you, which is not an example of being wrong.

 

I’ll take deflecting for $1000 please Alex.

i would avoid talking about my awful takes on Covid also if I had been as wrong as you have been.

 

Lol, surely even you can see the irony in claiming a deflection right after you lied about my position on schools and then brought up lockdowns, masks, and transgendered swimmers of all things on the Covid thread when none of those were the topic.

I would avoid talking about deflecting when that is all you do when cornered with some ridiculous take like Covid isn't a disease (which happens often).

 

You deflected right away. Good try sport. Anyone listening to anything you say about Covid should do the opposite. You are literally Costanza! Awesome!

 

Lol, I bet you did see the irony but now just want to argue for pages. No thanks. Your deflections are boring! Good luck!

 

But you know what, it’s a good start you now admitting you were wrong on lockdowns, school closures and masks. See, we are making progress. Way to go. I’m proud of you.

 

Haha, of course I said no such thing (you lied again), and I pointed out that you were lying as you do about one of my positions, as has been explained to you multiple times. In fact, one could say it is boring having to continue to point out that you are lying.

 

I get it. I can only imagine how embarrassing it must be to be so wrong going on 2 years now. Now you are trying to rewrite history. Tough look there sport. It’s ok. Just admit you were wrong on lockdowns, school closures and masks and we will move on. The best part is I know you don’t believe your BS positions but you are backed into a corner with no way out except admitting you were wrong and anyone on this site knows you will never do that lol.