Everytime I want to say something smartassed to you about Glover, I remember how much of a Tebow homer I am and I understand. I have been laughed out of many a room with my declaration that Tebow would have been a Superbowl winning QB in Denver because that year they won, Peyton was terrible and pretty much anyone who was the QB would have a ring. So yeah... we are more alike than we are different.
I once told Chris Havlicek that I think that I scored more points in my career than your dad did. His happened to be in the NBA and mine were in city and summer leagues, but nevertheless…. You might fall into a similar category. As for Glover, he was a great high school player who fell under the radar. White doesn’t like true point guards. That’s why Nembhard and Glover left and why Hill started over Chiozza. White likes guards who go one-on-one and try to score or kick to other players after drawing a second defender. Nembhard, Cheese and Glover are all orchestrators on the floor. Tyree is more of a solo act. It’s not great to be a Gator fan like I have been and want to see players transfer so they can have successful careers. I’m not happy about that, but I am a huge supporter of the players. There is not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that Glover could be an outstanding SEC point guard. He is excelling against some really good teams, including teams that would beat Florida. All knowledgeable people have to do to see this is to watch Samford play. As Jimmy Dykes said during a recent Gator game, and as I know you know, there are 70 or so different things to look at to see how good a player is. Stats in different categories are just some of them. Glover has very solid scoring stats because he can create his own shot and is an exceptionally good scorer, but there is way more to his game than you see in the stats.
Yet, when looking at the stats I provided…. Tyree averaged more assists per game and fewer shots per game.
If UF was ranked #1 in the country right now Coached by someone other than Mike White you wouldn’t give a rats ass About any former Gators Playing on other teams
Not particularly relevant. As I have said, stats are only a part of the picture. That being said. Sure I would. I followed all of Billy’s recruits who left the program and hoped they would do well as a general rule. However, those guys left for different reasons. But, yes, I care about the guys who didn’t succeed at UF in large part, IMO, because of their coach. Nevertheless, thanks for being a jackass and telling me about what I think.
They left for same reasons, not playing enough or didn't fit in. If Stats mean nothing why do most people go by them. People don't make AA teams because they set picks well. If player A ave more points and asst per game then players B he will get call as being better just how it goes. Every one will see down the road who has better career overseas between Glover and Appleby. Not sure either make NBA.
Nembhard is recognized as possibly the best point guard in college right now. So, plenty of experts are looking beyond a limited number of stats. There are no published stats in the primary publications for quality passes, time it takes to move the ball, number of quality screens, pick and roll defense, good box outs, and on and on. However, that data likely is kept somewhere. There is no point in keeping this type of conversation going. I have zero doubt in my mind that Glover is a way better point guard than Appleby, and that is not a knock on Appleby, who I believe is playing out of position. It is a criticism of Mike White, however.
Ironically- there were quite a few players who transferred from Donovan and after-which, showed significant improvement. That is not an indictment on Billy…. who I think is the greatest coach in the history of Florida sports. Just an interesting reality…. Kenny Kadji, Mario Bogan, Johnathan Mitchell, Mohammed Abukar, Ryan Appleby, David Huertas …. All come to mind.
That's true a lot of players who ended up better but does not mean billy was a bad coach far from it.
Glover is a better PG right now just not so much better than you think.Appleby can do things better. Better at 3 better on D.
I only watched Glover play a couple of times this year, but having Appleby, who's really the only player on the team who can play point, imo is the biggest blunder White has made in putting a team together since he's been at Florida. So you have 1 pg on the entire team who turns the ball over a lot and no other true pg's on the team. This makes no sense, especially when White seems to favor a heavy guard lineup. I really can't understand the thinking at all. Last year Appleby had at least 5 TO's in 7 games. In fact, he had a 5 game stretch between the middle of Feb and early March where he turned the ball over at least 5 times in 4 of 5 games, with 1 of those games having 7 TO's. If I recall, after this stretch Mann was the primary pg. Of course Mann is a superstar, but how can you go into this season with Appleby your only primary ball handler, when he's averaged over 3 TO's per game through 3 years of college ball. I know that Jones has been mentioned in this conversation, but to me he replaced Locke. I think the guy to question is why McKissic was brought in over a true pg. He does play good d and I like how hard he plays, but he averaged 3 TO's per game last year in the Summit League and he was a below 60% ft shooter in 4 years of college. This means even if could run the point, you can't play him at the end of games. He was the 1st guy White went after. If you really want McKissic, you better have either another pg on the roster or find one to transfer and I don't think there were that many good ones available. This makes not keeping Glover a huge mistake. White thought he can upgrade and it cost him this year. I'm not sure how good Glover would be this year, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with him having the ball than our other options, or at least be the 1st pg off the bench.
27% is pretty bad for a guard, even 33% is barely average nowadays. Elite guys are shooting 40%. Of course shot selection and volume can skew this slightly. But generally for a guy to have a “green light” you want them in that 40% range. If you have a volume shooter going in the 20’s that’s going to be ugly.
I would have liked for Glover to have stayed, but I don’t think it would have changed much. This team has a VERY GLARING AND OVERRIDING WEAKNESS: POOR PERIMETER SHOOTING. There is nothing that suggests Glover would have helped in this area, and he may have even exacerbated the issue.
AN is shooting only 33% from behind the arc, right in line with his long range shooting at UF. I also know from watching him at UF and this year that he’s not a very quick defender for a guard. I haven’t followed the entirety of college hoops as closely as usual this year due to extenuating circumstances. So I can’t specifically identify which point guards are better. But despite AN’s great passing, I find it difficult to imagine that there aren’t several (if not more) better point guards than AN. This is simply because shooting from 3 and defending are fundamental attributes of a great one.
Or that St. John’s is improving like college teams are supposed to do over the course of a season; or that the Big East is a tougher conference than the SEC; or that Florida is getting worse as the season progresses; or that Florida wouldn’t be able to handle St. John’s aggressive style of play; or all of the above.
