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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. gator95

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    That's how it should be done. So when studying How/When something happened it's better to have the official date of death than dumping them sometimes 3 weeks later. People making policy decisions should have accurate data of WHEN someone died, and data dumps don't accomplish that.
     
  2. pkaib01

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    It did seem fishy as reporting delays will always make it look like the situation is improving.

    There are use cases for "actual deaths by day of death" (the backfilled report) as well as "deaths currently reported by date". I opine that FL chose the wrong one to publicize.
     
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  3. philnotfil

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    They changed it last June. The current reporting method has the characteristic of always making it look like deaths are declining.
     
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  4. philnotfil

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    I don't see how they are going to be successful if the arguments they presented are accurately represented in this article.

    In Tampa hearing, military officers voice religious objections to vaccines

    The pair testified anonymously, with a judge’s consent, to protect their identities. Both described themselves as practicing Christians who believed that receiving vaccines would introduce impurities into their bodies. Each also expressed concern about fetal cell lines, which are used in the research and development of various vaccines and many common medicines.

    The military denied each of them a religious exemption to the vaccine requirement. Both could face discharge if they don’t comply.

    “I cannot knowingly put something in my body that I believe is a toxin,” said the Navy commander, who leads some 320 sailors aboard a guided-missile destroyer based in northern Virginia.

    “For me, it would be a sin,” said the lieutenant colonel, who serves as a diversity and inclusion officer with the Marine Forces Special Operations Command. “Because it would defile my body. Because my body is a temple of Jesus Christ.”
     
  5. QGator2414

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    If only we had listened to people like Dr. Bhattacharya of Stanford. Great listen and hopefully we will learn lessons from the mistakes made.

     
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  7. gator95

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  8. pkaib01

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    There is no greater sign that the covid vaccination is a political issue than the hypocrisy of religious objections by military folks. They have already received 17 mandatory vaccinations at the time of the objection.
     
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  9. buckeyegator

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    playing devil's advocate, my guess is each of the 17 vaccines has a long history, not 15 months, of data to review.
     
  10. pkaib01

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    That's not the objection in the article.

    "The pair testified anonymously, with a judge’s consent, to protect their identities. Both described themselves as practicing Christians who believed that receiving vaccines would introduce impurities into their bodies. Each also expressed concern about fetal cell lines, which are used in the research and development of various vaccines and many common medicines."

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    “I cannot knowingly put something in my body that I believe is a toxin,” said the Navy commander, who leads some 320 sailors aboard a guided-missile destroyer based in northern Virginia."

    He "believes" it's a toxin with no evidence to support that assertion. With over 10 BILLION doses administered worldwide, that assertion seems like a pretext.

    These guys should not be in the military. Boot them.
     
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  11. 92gator

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    ^^^Damn near 2 years ago. just say'n...
     
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  12. QGator2414

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    And are for different diseases. Many young and healthy service men and women are at almost no risk to covid. It is absolutely a political issue to force them to take a new drug like this.
     
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  13. QGator2414

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    It is political no doubt!

    Many young and healthy service men and women are at almost no risk to covid. It is absolutely a political issue to force them to take a new drug like this.
     
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  14. pkaib01

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    Like the mandatory flu shot? Cool.
     
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  15. 92gator

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    Such a powerful message, but long n drawn out. Someone out to distill a bunch of his points into a succinct, cogent, bullet point message, and broadcast it far n wide.

    Made my blood boil.

    "...still no hard evidence that the lock downs prevented deaths, but plenty to show that it caused desths..."

    So many other points...
     
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  16. QGator2414

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    No. Not like a shot that has a long history. The crazy thing is the less than 50% efficacy of the flu shot on average is now far superior to the new drugs being required.
     
  17. duchen

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    China is lying.
     
  18. 1990Gator

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    Zero COVID? What about those reports early in the pandemic that Crematoriums were running 24/7 in China?
     
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    China’s numbers are crap and likely not trustworthy. But they aren’t claiming “zero COVID”. They acknowledged covid, and thousands of deaths. Though many think they drastically undercounted those early deaths, based on the accounts you describe (mass graves, crematoriums, etc).

    China doesn’t claim “zero covid”, but they do have zero tolerance policy for covid. Probably the most extreme policy anywhere. There are several democracies that also went with zero tolerance policy, although obviously an authoritarian regime like China is going to go more extreme, and even if they fail, their state media will just lie about it anyway.
     
  20. buckeyegator

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    no, china has no covid, just the sub-humans they regard have it, who knows, maybe on purpose.
     
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