Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Generally yes and this is the type of information that should be out there. I would note the linking data on page 17-if they don't match up everything that person become unvaccinated. Now given the numbers involved I don't believe there are tons of vaccinated people being treated as unvaccinated in this report, but it's clearly some. Just no idea how good their record keeping is.

 

I am saying both vaccinated and unvaccinated people are being hospitalized and dying.

And the vast majority of vaccinated and unvaccinated are recovering with ease just like you did thankfully.

But the reason you did not end up in the hospital or dying is not because of the vaccine. It is because thankfully your immune system fought the virus. Did the vaccine help? Maybe. But your literal insinuation is false.

 

While both the unvaccinated and vaccinated are being hospitalized and dying, all data points to the vaccine being a major help in keeping people out of the hospital and dying. From this article:

Omicron even sickens some unvaccinated people who would otherwise not be considered high risk.

"If they're young or middle-aged and don't have a lot of underlying medical problems and they're in the ICU with COVID, I just kind of know they're going to be unvaccinated patients," says Bell.

As of late December, hospitalizations for COVID-19 were 16 times higher among those who were unvaccinated compared with those who were vaccinated, according to the latest data from the CDC, which does not differentiate between delta and omicron cases.

When it comes to vaccinated patients, doctors say the overwhelming majority of those in the hospital for COVID-19 have serious underlying health conditions that make them much more likely to get sick.
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Again, extrapolating the Washington state data, if everyone eligible was vaccinated, we would already be in the epidemic stage of the virus here in the US. Not a major concern across the country, but pockets of larger outbreaks. But we still have too many unvaccinated people who are filling up our hospitals needlessly. And as the doctor in the article states, if they are young or middle aged with no underlying conditions, and end up in the hospital with COVID, they are almost certainly unvaccinated. Hospitalizations that could almost 100% be prevented with the jabs.

 

Looks like Omicron hit our house. Started with my oldest last weekend who is pretty much over it. My youngest and myself started with it yesterday. The Mrs. is yet unaffected.

I know it's Covid because my oldest was tested.

Symptoms include sore throat, mild fever, stuffy nose and/or cough and upset stomach.

 

Hope it is quick and everyone recovers quickly!

 

With 94% of deaths being unvaccinated, it means unvaccinated are dying at a rate of about 16 to 1, a difference of about 267k out of 285k deaths. So even if what you say is technically true, it's a distorted way to understand the issue.

 

All while representing a third of the population.

 

65% of the population has 2 doses. 26% with booster. The vast majority not vaccinated are 0-16 year olds. The age group that virtually no one is hospitalized.

There are also millions with natural immunity who are unvaccinated.

Omicron is about over and well be under .5% hospitalized compared to delta that was about .9%.

Why are we still pushing for vaccine mandates or passports??

 

Multiple posters posted data several times with links to reputable sources that clearly point out that the vaccines work to minimize hospitalizations and deaths. Additionally, they are still working in that regard with Omicron, but with reduced effectiveness. To answer that, this was the response given: "But the reason you did not end up in the hospital or dying is not because of the vaccine." However, in his defense, he has zero data or links to support that misguided belief. It is also somewhat reassuring that this poster knows not to bother pointlessly wasting his time researching his fallacy.

 

Because nobody can know with any certainty Omicron will be the last “variant”, or the last wave, even if everyone would love for that to be the case.

We’ve spiked the football on the pandemic being “over” at least 4 times now. I myself am guilty of this, thought the vaccine rollout signaled an end, vaccine hesitancy poo-poo’d that. When the Omicron emerged I thought because were so close to the previous Delta wave, that we were closer to “herd immunity” and Omicron would be a nothingburger. Nope! So even this one somewhat surprised me, although I do believe this particular variant might cut the case fatality rates in half (perhaps better). It’s still a short term issue with volume of cases.

Literally nobody can say what is happening next, and I don’t care who they are or what their expertise is. Seems like to declare the pandemic “over”, we would need a 6-12 month period where it stays very low. Without any real spikes (or at least not one that far exceeds a typical flu and cold season). Basically, when the data says it’s over, it’s over.

 

Maybe because 58k people died from covid in January alone, with over 9 of every 10 almost certain to have not been vaccinated?

January 2022 was the fifth most deadly month for covid since the pandemic began.

 

Over 9 of 10 in January who died are unvaccinated? No way that is correct. If that is the data, that should be front and center to persuade vaccine hesitant people. There are still some. True anti-vax people-I would give up on them.

 

That's bad that they caught covid but good news mild reactions. My wife and one of my sons caught it a couple of weeks ago, both unvaccinated but previous affected had similar symptoms but no fever or upset stomach.
My other two kids and myself also unvaccinated never caught it this round

 

To your point about CFR, omicron has nearly cut the CFR in half thus far (-45%). Problem is with so many cases, the number of daily deaths have been increasing with totals for December 2021 @ 37.6k and January 2022 @ 58.8k both being above the historical average of 37.5k.

 

We don't have the numbers for January 2022 yet, or even most of December 2021, but covid death numbers from April 1, 2021 through December 4th 2021 show that over 94% (which is over 9 of every 10) of those who died were unvaccinated, with no month being below 93%. There's no reason to think that this percentage would drastically change with omicron. I mean, it might be theoretically possible, but remote.

 

Thanks!

So 30-39, covid 8.2% of total death for 2020-2022.
Below the chart, it states confirmed or presumed. Curious to what presumed means.

The chart at the bottom is interesting.

Age group 25-34:
So we have 9.5k just straight covid-19 marked DCs
But then we have 4.9k where the DC mark Influenza and Penumonia but the DC also list covid.
1.3k marked cardiac arrest but the DC also had covid marked on it.
Toward the bottom, intentional and unintentional injury at 457 deaths but also marked covid on the DC.

I wonder how long it will take the CDC to review all these DCs. I know they have mentioned in the past it will need to be done.

If these numbers are accurate, it would make covid right there with suicides among the younger age groups.


Its hard to find this number but I found this showing there are 30 million Americans between the age 18-24.

That same age group would have less than 5k covid deaths... out of 30 million.

I wish I could find one for other age groups. The same website only gives 25-64 as one large group.

 

Shouldn't look at numbers from April 1--not enough fully vaxxed people at that point. June 1 is probably a fair starting point. i don't think that 94% is a raw number. They are doing some adjustments to that as it just doesn't line up with numbers from England, Israel, Australia. They are all showing a positive benefit on deaths for the vaccine, but nowhere close to 94 out of every 100 deaths being unvaccinated.

 

Ha mutual opinions of each other.

By the way, thank you. Now I want to watch The Princess Bride.

 

The amount of daily cases just 2 weeks ago was simply insane. Deaths likely won't come close to the delta peek which is good news. Just mind-boggling to me since we hit over 800k daily for a little bit there. Delta peaked at 251k.

Really hoping Omicron was the last of this until next winter...
I wonder if the flu will really be a thing of the past now.

Instead of bad flu seasons, we will talk about bad covid seasons.

 

Using June as thestart doesn't change anything. The 94% is the monthly average for death rate differences whether we use April, May or June as the starting point. The numbers are also +90% for all age groups too, even for 80yo and over. Since June, of the 274k covid deaths (as the underlying cause), 257.8k were unvaxxed. That's 94%. The numbers need not line up with England, Israel, or Australia.