Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Who’s anti-vax? I’m anti kid vax. Good effort though. Try to pay attention next time.

 

No it is not. We have axxed people telling others that the vaccines don't work or that the vaccines are dangerous or how to fill out the forms to not get vaccinated..

On TV, the internet.

They have an agenda, but they aren't the tools of their agenda. Others pay the price.

Even Trump promotes the vaccines and criticizes leaders who will not say if they were vaxxed.

Like posters here ho post half the data, but when you confront them on the part of the data that refutes their conclusion from they data, they resort to spiking their so called victory or just double back and repeat the same garbage you just debunked.

Best to just ignore them.

 

People debunk your falsehoods and philosophical garbage with data, and you ignore it and just go back and repeat your falsehoods. It isn't worth engaging.

No is doesn't. You ignored the age controlled data and repeated these lies. Because when one cherry pick data and reach different conclusions by ignoring the complete picture that refutes the dats, you are just intellectually dishonest.

 

The only way you can say that is by ignoring the age controlled data and hospitalization date. Which you did and did not even bother to address. That makes your posts a lie.

When one looks at that data, your statement is just bald faced disinformation.

The unvaccinated need the therapeutics for serious illness at a level ten times the unvaccinated.

And, your post ignores that the "therapeutics" DeSantis and you have been touting while you dissuade prevention and promote sickness don't work against Omicron.

So, while you have been discouraging vaccination and sickness all these months, you have ignored the risk that therapeutics would not work against variants. And now it has happened.

Too many people are listening to garbage like you spew. Some to their detriment.

 

I posted that earlier. Thanks for adding the data.

 

thought maybe a picture might help make it clear to him, wishful thinking I'm sure

 

You saw the data from the source you quoted. Age adjusted data, it helped reduce hospitalization by a factor or between 5 and 10. It was right in front of you. You saw it. You trusted the information enough to quote it's components. But now you deny what was right in front of you.

Do you realize how delusional you are? I'm being serious here.

 

Yet for some reason 100% of your posts are about how the vaccine is not right for some people, or its not as effective as actually getting sick. I don't recall you ever posting anything positive about the vaccines.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you, only pointing out that for many this isn't necessarily about lying to others per se. The deceit comes from deluding themselves first (think Feynman's 1st principle). It's a psychological phenomenon that makes it damn near impossible to get through to people so committed to thwarting any such an effort. Hence, the exact same back & forth, rinse and repeat.

 

You know, articles like this telling folks that side effects are likely in their heads, basically that they're nuts, don't help. *facepalm*

'Nocebo' effect blamed for some COVID vaccine symptoms: Study

“Nonspecific symptoms like headache and fatigue — which we have shown to be particularly nocebo sensitive — are listed among the most common adverse reactions following COVID-19 vaccination in many information leaflets,” the study’s senior author Ted J. Kaptchuk, professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, said in a statement.

“Evidence suggests that this sort of information may cause people to misattribute common daily background sensations as arising from the vaccine or cause anxiety and worry that make people hyper-alert to bodily feelings about adverse events,” Kaptchuk added."

 

Actually I am being intentionally open. I am in support of people making the best decision for themselves. Have been from the beginning. The people who are dense through this are the ones still hyper focused on taking these new drugs as the only answer. And still the only answer. I still say take them if you want. Unlike last January…I do not see the benefit anymore for these particular drugs designed for the alpha variant. You might. That is fine.

We need to be focused on the future.

 

Eh…the fact you are having to pipe in like this says you are more concerned about not questioning how things are going and more concerned about only taking a drug designed for the alpha variant.

I am focused on the future knowing these drugs are insufficient now. So are these drug companies….

COVID vaccine makers brace for a variant worse than Delta

 

You ignore the reality we do not have control groups to compare with. Therapeutics are not even discussed in this data. Comorbidities are not discussed in this data. It would be even better to have that information combined with vaccination status. There is a lot of data we are missing. So we have to do the best with what we have.

 

No I used the data to show a trend that shows we need to start focusing on the future when it comes to these new drugs. The drug companies know this as well…

COVID vaccine makers brace for a variant worse than Delta

 

What you've got to keep in mind when you see some of these replies is, 50% of the libs on here would like to see you either fined, arrested, confined to your home or digitally tracked and 30% would take your kids away from you. All for being unvaxxed or speaking out against the vaccines.

 

I heard about that poll. Crazy!!!

 

Everyone over 18 who hasn't had covid should get the vaccine. I've said it numerous times. Men under 30 in good shape should only get 1 shot as the risk of myocarditis is higher than getting it from covid. Besides that all adults should get the vaccine. It saves lives. We have plenty of people on here saying that day in and day out. I've said it enough to not have to keep repeating myself.

Oh and i'm not playing monday morning QB. I've said since the beginning of the vaccine rollout we should vax the elderly first and then work our way down(hospital staff concurrent with elderly) BUT if someone had a positive covid result put them at the back of the line. And don't vax kids. Vax the elderly in the world first. IF anyone actually cared about people that is the way to do it. the US failed in that(Trump, CDC, States, Biden). Kid's who are healthy are at as close to zero risk as possible. We've wasted millions of shots that could've gone to other countries and stopped plenty of deaths. If we want to have a discussion, let's have a discussion.

 

Looks like I was wrong about N95 masks working. Seems they don't any better than a surgical mask.



N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Laboratory-Confirmed Influenza in Health Care Personnel

 

There is so much bad information being published by everyone from the NYTimes to WND and just about everyone else in between.

So, this says that the vast majority of health care professionals likely become infected outside of the work place at a rate of about 7-8% and that both medical masks and N95 masks are highly effective in the work place since neither group showed a major departure based solely upon their workplace PPE.

 

No. You are spreading disinformation and if people rely on it, they are not making the best decisions for themselves. Because their decisions are based on bad information. Your posts are those of an anti-Vanzetti and are intentionally skewed to mislead. If you want people to make good decisions for themselves, advise them of the risks and benefits, instead of deliberately and willfully ignoring and withholding the data that directly addresses the risks. You have seen the age controlled data from a study you posted. First you withheld it and then you just ignore it when it contradicts what you repeat after seeing it. That is what propagandists do. You saw that data, The New York data. Here is South Florida. Hospitalizations are 75% to 90% unvaccinated, depending on the hospital.
Those hospitalized with omicron in South Florida mostly unvaccinated And I read in the Miami Herald today that it is 68% unvaccinated. Oh, one more thing. Your data concerning England is also utter garbage when you discuss the efficacy of the US vaccines anyway. They use Astra Zeneca, which is not authorized here. You aren’t helping anybody. You are an anti-vaxed who couches but his words to try to make yourself appear reasonable. Everyone here sees through you.