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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. philnotfil

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    Florida Department of Health confirms Dr. Raul Pino put on leave for encouraging Orange County Department of Health employees to get vaccinated

    Orange County Medical Director Dr. Raul Pino wrote an email to staff on Jan. 4th encouraging them to get vaccinated and boosted for COVID-19.

    In it he wrote, “I have a hard time understanding how we can be in public health and not practice it.”

    After sending the email he was placed on administrative leave.

    In an email to WMFE, the Florida Department of Health has confirmed Pino was put on leave because, “the decision to get vaccinated is a personal choice that should be free from coercion and mandates from employers.”
     
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  2. duchen

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    Right. Delta is still out there. The assumption that the only risk is milder Omicron is false. And Omicron is milder, but not for everyone. So the more that get it the more who will get severe cases, albeit at a lower rate.
     
  3. duchen

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    Some people know better and just spread disinformation. This is the DeSantis blue print. More precise data is ignored to perpetuate the lie. Intellectual dishonesty.
     
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  4. duchen

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    That is right ring world. Everyone is free to spread a dangerous virus to others. It is a person’s freedom.
     
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  5. duchen

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    You can figure it out. The answer is the flip side of the statistics I cited. Just multiply by 10 or more depending on the age group.
     
  6. OklahomaGator

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    The death rate per reported case using world o meter data has fallen again, down to 1.28%. It was 1.31% last week.
     
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  7. QGator2414

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    England October there were 2188 fully vaccinated deaths. And 393 unvaccinated deaths. On October 31 there were 45,712,351 fully vaccinated people in England.

    Per 100,000 that is 0.58 unvaccinated deaths and 3.25 vaccinated deaths considering the 67.22 million population of England. If you want to compare the per 100,000 to just the unvaccinated population and the vaccinated to just the vaccinated population you get 1.83 deaths per 100,000 in the unvaccinated and 4.79 deaths per 100,000 in the vaccinated (using the 45,712,000 vaccinated number on Oct 31 and 21,508,000 unvaccinated/about 4 million of these unvaccinated had a least one shot).

    September per 100,000 was 0.71 unvaccinated deaths and 3.00 vaccinated deaths.

    If we go to January it will be the vast vast majority are unvaccinated and that should be expected since the vaccine was just rolling out. So using the January death numbers which was also the peak death numbers for the entire pandemic is pointless. We need to be looking at the current numbers. There was a grand total of 494,209 fully vaccinated in England on January 31.

    We need to be focused on next generations drugs.
     
  8. QGator2414

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    If you look at comorbidities (especially diabetes and weight...and you will see who is really at risk of death). Of course this does not mean you are safe from death or hospitalization if you have no comorbidities. But we need to focus on what is working. There is a reason the fully vaccinated run for monoclonal antibodies and will be running to these new therapeutics when they get Covid. Maybe it is the new drugs geared toward alpha providing the most benefit. Maybe it is the therapeutic. Maybe it is their immune system is robust already.

    Just know there are many ways to navigate this. The tunnel vision some are in right now though...is not helping.

    That said...we have test kits going out soon.
     
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  9. surfn1080

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    I would counter it's not just a little milder, it's much milder.

    Cases are 3-4 times higher with Omicron than delta (and that's only the ones we can count or show up to get tested) yet hospitalization and ICU are significantly lower than Delta. Any disease or virus is dangerous for anyone. That is the nature of life.
    Based on the data we have so far on Omicron, it's mostly 70+ who are needing to be hospitalized. Delta had been a problem for even 50 plus.

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  10. duchen

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    Stop with the commorbidoties. Those people don’t deserve to die. The vaccines we have in the US are working. By a minimum of a ten fold factor across all age groups. That does not mean that we should not continue to develop better vaccines, prophylactics or treatments. It does mean we need to vaccinate now under current conditions and not wait. And not listen to idiots touting treatments that might not work on the next variant. Like the idiot governor here who promoted monoclonals instead of vaccines. And the monoclonals he promoted did not work on Omicron. So he. And his ilk, moved in to their next message. Prevention and prevention of severe disease are the only goals.
     
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  11. duchen

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    Omicron is more infectious so the smaller percentage of severe cases needing hospitalization will still be taxing in hospitals and health case. And since Delta is spreading, public health measures need to reflect that risk. Stephen A Smith was just hospitalized. His doctor told him that if he wasn’t vaxed, he would have does. That is why folks need to be vaxed. You don’t know who will draw the short straw.
     
  12. pkaib01

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    Some good news. National fever trends as measured by IP enabled thermometers (Kinsa).

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  13. QGator2414

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    Who said anyone deserves to die?

    I am just stating what the data shows. If you want to booster with a drug designed for the alpha spike protein. By all means. And like I have said from the beginning...be ready to use the monoclonal and new pfizer pill if one unfortunately gets covid. Vaccinated or Unvaccinated.
     
  14. mdgator05

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    If a country gets to 100% vaccination rate, what percentage of deaths would be from the unvaccinated?
     
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  15. l_boy

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    More evidence the vaccine is not working!!!
     
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  16. surfn1080

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    lol I love a good Doctor telling someone what might of happened...

    I know a man that is 61 years old, well overweight, diabetic and not vaccinated. He is my best friends dad. He is someone who definitely should had received the vaccine.
    Well anyhow, he got covid a few weeks ago. I thought he was a deadman. He went and got monoclonal antibody treatment the very first day. The next 3 weeks sucked. O2 levels dropped to 82 even on oxygen. What was odd is they were not seeing much activity regarding his antibodies making it even scarier.

    Well he is finally doing better. Still needs a little oxygen but he is home and each day is doing more around the home.

    Steven A Smith is far from the age, weight and health of this man...

    Anyhow, not only did I share hospitalization numbers but I also showed you who and what is getting sick.
    The Flu overwhelmed hospitals in 2018, how come no one said anything then?
    oh and hospitals made it through Delta which was far worse in Florida.
     
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    Story is he got placed on administrative leave because he potentially violated his employees confidentiality and privacy laws. That's the rumor right now. Let's let all the facts out before we go accusing FL of doing something like this.
     
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    What an upside down world. Not surprised, however. :(
     
  19. philnotfil

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    From the article:
     
  20. buckeyegator

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    i have a hard time believing people in public health who test positive are encouraged to go to work, yet i do not see him addressing that. guess he thinks it is ok to get vaxxed, get covid and still come to work. typical medical hypocrite, must be a fauci relative.