Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

One of the CNN articles i linked showed a 75& drop in cases in NY since 1-7. case dropping in the north east, but still high.

Some places are trending in the right direction.

 

People really should learn to look at data.
We hit 17k during delta. Barely touched 11k during Omicron.

Also, the NYT graph only begs more question, how is the highest vaxxed group being hospitalized more during Omicron than delta. Maybe something to do with it being an escape variant…

 

No. Omicron is the predominant infectio. 2,000 people per day dead and over 90% of them wouldn't be if they simply got vaccinated. WTH difference does it make which variant?

 

Hard to respond to something this ridiculous. If you think 90% of Covid deaths are unvaccinated…you are not following the data. And to assume the new drugs would automatically save someone’s life is unfortunately a fallacy. It would be nice if these drugs really did guarantee the prevention of death. But they do not.

That said…make sure you get the 2010-2011 flu shot. It worked much better than most at 60%. Or you can keep boosting for Covid with a drug doing nothing to slow the spread. Or prevent death when we look at data from places like England and the reports out of Australia right now.

***I hope people understand the flu shot is a guess each year and that appears to be where we might be headed with Covid***

 

broken record meet broken record. The metric that matters is not the % of the dead that are vaccinated, it is the % of vaccinated that die.

 

No. You aren’t following the data. More than 10 times more likely to be hospitalized if unvaccinated. Where do you think the unvaccinated are dying? At home? In the Street? Stop accusing people if not following data when they cite it. That is a lie. Just because you keep posting lies and the data is pushed further upthread or you start new threads for your lies doesn’t make your lies any more truthful. It is you who are ignoring the data.

 

Uhhh…when over 90% of New South Wales deaths yesterday were fully vaccinated…that matters. When 85% of the deaths in England in October are fully vaccinated. That matters.

Now thankfully the vaccinate and unvaccinated have therapeutics to turn to. That matters as well.

If people think boostering with these drugs is what they need. By all means. But we know the drugs are not slowing the spread. And the vaccinated are the majority dying when we get the data. And the vaccinated are using the monoclonals like the unvaccinated. So who is to say the monoclonals are what kept a vaccinated person from dying.

So many are blinded by tunnel vision.

We need new generations of drugs. It is becoming very clear…

 

It doesn’t diminish. The antibodies leave the blood, so infection becomes more likely until the T cells and B cells produce more antibodies. And if the virus mutates to a form that escapes the antibodies, immunity from prior infection goes through the same process.

 

@mutz87 gave us public health England. 85% of the Covid deaths in October were fully vaccinated. But I am sure most of those who are dying don’t go to the hospital. They have mild symptoms and just die.

Australia just provided there deadliest day was majority vaccinated. Granted they only gave us New South Wales numbers on that of the 77 that died. And it was over 90% fully vaccinated in that Australian state.

Booster up if you want.

 

I addressed that in the other thread you started and you again mislead. Same wrong metric. See post 33565. And answer the questions I asked in the hockey thread about these statistics. And address the CDC data on hospitalizations between the vaccinated and unvaccinated released today.

 

Garbage false application or statistics. Dangerous falsehoods. Bordering on malevolent at this point.

 

Yeah the cdc is not where to look for good data. But if you think this is an unvaccinated problem right now…the tunnel vision is blinding you.

We need new generations of drugs.

Sadly I think you will disagree with that just because I said it?!

 

Yeah. Running the hard numbers that show month over month the increase in fully vaccinated deaths is falsehoods.

You can get to a different decision based on the data. But the data speaks…

 

no it does not. this fallacy rears its head a lot.

jeter had a .250 BA in 95 & a .314 in 96
justice had a .253 in 95 & a .321 in 96

who had the superior BA over the 2 year period?


your particular fallacy is a base rate fallacy which is related, but diff from the 1 above.

There are two cab companies in a city: a “Green” company that has green cabs and a “Blue” company with blue cabs. It is given that 85% of the cabs in the city are green and 15% are blue. A cab was involved in a hit-and-run accident at night. There was one witness to the incident, and they identified the cab as blue. In order to assess the reliability of the witness’s testimony, the court tested their ability to differentiate between blue and green cabs at nighttime. It turned out that the witness accurately distinguished the two colors 80% of the time but confused them 20% of the time. What is the probability that the cab involved in the accident was blue?

 

No I look at the increase in death percentage of the fully vaccinated and the vaccination rates at those times. Add in therapeutics that the vaccinated also are using at high levels and it is pretty clear we need new generations of drugs.

Booster up with these drugs if you want.

 

it must be really dangerous to be white in Finland & black in Uganda. Look at the % of those who die who are white & black in those countries!!

 

. I just posted the facts and the questions again. Your “hard data” doesn’t prove what you claim it does if you can’t answer these basic questions. But you don’t want to. Because truth isn’t the issue for you.

 

It is funny that you are giving one single day (carefully selected to show your point, of course) when the other data is readily available. So I decided to look at the last week by report date:

Jan. 19- 32 deaths; 8 unvaccinated
Jan. 18- 36 deaths; 3 unvaccinated
Jan. 17- 17 deaths; 2 unvaccinated
Jan. 16- 20 deaths; 6 unvaccinated
Jan. 15- 20 deaths; 4 unvaccinated
Jan. 14- 29 deaths; 10 unvaccinated
Jan. 13- 22 deaths; 8 unvaccinated

That would be 23% of the deaths came from the 6% of the population that is not vaccinated there.

2022 media releases from NSW Health - News

 

One day we all go to a world of truth. And our souls have to be cleansed from this world. And we can’t lie anymore. It doesn’t work there. And true hell is having to answer for the harm done to others. Like convincing people not to protect themselves by exponentially reducing their odds of getting seriously ill by lying about the effectiveness of their means to protect themselves. That is like telling someone not to walk across a field of gunfire because the odds of getting hit are low. When by staying in hiding, the odds are even lower. You may not fire the gin, but if you told that person to walk across the field, you certainly convinced someone to expose himself or herself to the bullet. Needlessly.