Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!
  1. Gator Country Black Friday special!

    Now's a great time to join or renew and get $20 off your annual VIP subscription! LIMITED QUANTITIES -- for details click here.

Coronavirus - International stories and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Jan 20, 2020.

  1. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

    31,906
    12,095
    3,693
    Aug 26, 2008
    Russian one doesn't either. They are back to rolling shutdowns, Putin seems disconnected, vulnerable right now

    Russia, Ukraine see record daily deaths, low vaccinations (apnews.com)

    MOSCOW (AP) — The daily number of COVID-19 deaths in Russia hit another high Tuesday amid a surge in infections that has forced the Kremlin to order most Russians to stay off work starting this week.

    Sluggish vaccination rates have allowed the virus to spread quickly across Eastern Europe. Ukraine and Bulgaria also reported record daily death tolls on Tuesday.

    Russia’s national coronavirus task force reported 1,106 deaths in 24 hours, the most since the start of the pandemic. The number brought the country’s official pandemic death toll to 232,775, Europe’s highest by far.

    Russia registered 36,446 new daily coronavirus cases, slightly fewer than the past few days.

    In a move intended to stem the spread of the virus, Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered a nonworking period between Oct. 30 and Nov. 7, when the country will observe an extended holiday.

    During that time, most state organizations and private businesses are to suspend operations, and most stores will close along with kindergartens, schools, gyms and most entertainment venues. Restaurants and cafes will only be open for takeout or delivery. Food stores, pharmacies and businesses operating key infrastructure can stay open.
     
  2. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

    14,280
    5,282
    3,208
    Nov 25, 2017
    This is such a problem for the world. We need to share our vaccines with everyone because they work.
     
  3. G8trGr8t

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

    31,906
    12,095
    3,693
    Aug 26, 2008
    Apparently eastern Europeans trust the health care system less than here. low vaccination rates combined with the onset of Delta and cold weather is leading eastern Europe into a lot of deaths this winter.

    Eastern Europe faces 'truly disastrous' Covid situation right now. Experts call it a warning. (msn.com)

    Saying the surge was "worrying," Wenseleers said he believed low vaccine uptake and high vaccine hesitancy were largely to blame. "It’s not due to lack of vaccines," he said, noting that the joint procurement of vaccines at the European Union level meant all 27 member states "were able to buy equivalent quantities of vaccines."

    "Despite having access to vaccines, those countries did not manage to convince their population to get vaccinated," he said. At least 1 in 3 people in countries in eastern Europe do not trust the health care system, compared to an average of 18 percent across the EU, a European Commission poll known as the Eurobarometer found, Reuters reported.

    Romania and Bulgaria are among the countries with the lowest rates of vaccine uptake across the continent, according to the EU’s vaccination tracker. The latest data showed that less than 23 percent of the adult population in Bulgaria had been fully vaccinated, while just over 25 percent had had at least one shot. In Romania, just under 34 percent of the population above age 18 had been fully vaccinated, while almost 38 percent had had at least one dose.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  4. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    13,639
    1,916
    1,318
    Apr 3, 2007
    Austria is planning to lockdown all unvaccinated people in the country. Apparently, they had enough and they aren't going to take it anymore.

    Austria to impose Covid lockdown for the unvaccinated aged 12 and older - CNN

    Can you imagine if Biden tried that here? People would go ballistic, in more ways than one.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  5. g8trjax

    g8trjax GC Hall of Fame

    5,195
    450
    293
    Jun 1, 2007
    Hell, I say do it, won't be another dem elected for 50 years.

     
  6. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    13,639
    1,916
    1,318
    Apr 3, 2007
    The latest from Germany is that all unvaccinated employees must be tested for Covid twice a day--once before they go to work, and once at the end of the day. That must get old day after day after day.
     
  7. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    13,639
    1,916
    1,318
    Apr 3, 2007
    The latest from Taiwan is that there is a fear that the vaccines have caused more deaths than the virus. That's actually not the case, but appears to be so based on the reported deaths of people after getting vaccinated (865) versus the number who have died from Covid (845). Both numbers are about 0.004% of the population, which means that Taiwan has done an excellent job of containing the virus. (For comparison, Florida has had 0.28% of the population die from Covid, or 70 times as much as Taiwan. Remember that some parts of Taiwan do not have access to modern medicine.)

    However, the comparison ignores the fact that most of the deaths from the vaccines were incidental--people happened to die of natural causes and pre-existing conditions shortly after being vaccinated. Autopsies found no indication that the vaccine was a cause of death in the majority of cases. The conclusion that some people in Taiwan are drawing from the two numbers above is that the vaccine is more deadly than the virus. This ignores the fact that 69% of the population has been exposed to the vaccine, while less than 0.1% of the population has been exposed to (or tested positive for) the virus. Even if all the incidental deaths were actually caused by Covid, the conclusion should be that Covid is 700 times more deadly than the vaccine. In all likelihood, it's thousands of times more deadly.

    Vaccines Are Not More Deadly Than COVID-19 in Taiwan

     
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2022
    • Informative Informative x 5
  8. NavyGator93

    NavyGator93 GC Hall of Fame

    1,960
    756
    2,663
    Dec 4, 2015
    Georgia
    REPORTS: Novak Djokovic denied entry into Australia after being held overnight for questioning regarding vaccine exemption documentation | Tennis.com

    Melbourne has been under tough lockdowns forever, quite the uproar when Djokovic was given an initial medical exemption to play. Apparently after reviewing the paperwork, Aussie government is poised to kick the world #1 out of the Australia, he will not have a chance to participate in the first Grand Slam of the year.
    I like the Joker, but Rafa summed it up well:

    “I think if (Novak) wanted, he would be playing here in Australia without a problem. Everybody is free to take their own decisions, but then there are some consequences.”

    Concluded Nadal, “Of course I don't like the situation that is happening. In some way I feel sorry for him. But at the same time, he knew the conditions since a lot of months ago.”
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Informative Informative x 1
  9. duggers_dad

    duggers_dad GC Hall of Fame

    16,149
    1,196
    2,088
    Jan 5, 2022
    So correlation doesn’t equal causation ? Very good. Now do Covid deaths ...
     
  10. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    13,639
    1,916
    1,318
    Apr 3, 2007
    I have no idea what you are asking. Sounds like you are trying to make a smart-ass comment to insult my discussion. I only talk to people who are willing to have intelligent conversations. And no, I don't take requests from the gallery.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  11. g8trjax

    g8trjax GC Hall of Fame

    5,195
    450
    293
    Jun 1, 2007


    Australia...:rolleyes:
     
  12. chemgator

    chemgator GC Hall of Fame

    13,639
    1,916
    1,318
    Apr 3, 2007
    An interesting story about the Russian flu in the 1890's, which is now suspected to be a coronavirus that jumped from cows to humans. The epidemic was blamed on the installation of the telegraph, which brought news of the flu back from Russia very quickly and brought a panic into Europe, and the panic, combined with the northeast wind, was suspected of causing the flu (luckily, there was no vaccine to stir up the anti-vaxxers of the day). The scary part: the flu first showed up in 1889, and England was still having outbreaks in 1900!

    Was the Russian flu a ‘coronavirus’? What the 1890s pandemic tells us about how Covid might end

     
    • Informative Informative x 3
  13. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

    23,092
    5,723
    3,488
    Apr 3, 2007
    FYI, Novak just lost his court appeal. Can’t see a way he plays now. This was a huge deal in both Serbia and Australia, but for the exact opposite reasons. Over 70 percent of Australia wanted him gone and Serbians around the world have overwhelmingly supported him, including marches, demonstrations etc.
    He was a huge deal and symbol of resistance for those against vaccines as well.

    so this decision is going to resonate world wide.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  14. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

    123,476
    164,015
    116,973
    Apr 3, 2007
    They deported him today.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 1
  15. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

    14,280
    5,282
    3,208
    Nov 25, 2017
    Bingo. When you catch up on the main Coronavirus thread, you will see that you figured this out very quickly.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  16. duchen

    duchen VIP Member

    14,280
    5,282
    3,208
    Nov 25, 2017
    Good. He didn’t follow their rules and lied on his application to enter the country. They have been very stringent in Australia about their rules.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  17. philnotfil

    philnotfil GC Hall of Fame

    17,730
    1,789
    1,718
    Apr 8, 2007
    What is really wild is that so many of the people who want others to follow the rules when they come into our country are applauding him not following the rules when entering another country. We live in interesting times.
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  18. l_boy

    l_boy 5500

    12,933
    1,730
    3,268
    Jan 6, 2009
    That was a really interesting article. If you think about the last 2 years, how many times have we thought we were through the woods and another wave or variant comes up? Theres no reason to believe this churn is going to stop. The only saving grace is through vaccines and natural immunity we will start to be more resilient and generally less harmful variants prevail. But that could take years.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
  19. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

    23,092
    5,723
    3,488
    Apr 3, 2007
    This is a huge deal from a tennis perspective. Nadal, Federer and Novak are tied with 20 majors each. And Novak has won the Aussie open 9 times, it’s easily his best tournament.

     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  20. g8trjax

    g8trjax GC Hall of Fame

    5,195
    450
    293
    Jun 1, 2007
    Hard to believe anyone would go through that much humiliation to play tennis in a country that vehemently doesn't want you there. Give them the middle finger and move on.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1