Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

And these three ply need to be worn at home 24/7 when family and friends are there as that is the number one place this thing spreads.

But the public health leaders will stick with open space public indoor settings as the best place. Makes much better theater. Easier to to control the herd of followers…

 

"Experts"?

I assure you that virologists and epidemiologists knew that viruses mutate. Duh.

Show me one claim by the WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH, Moderna, J&J or Pfizer that the 2020 vaccines for L strain would have the same efficacy against future strains. Actually, don't bother. This whole conspiracy theory is too stupid to deal with this early.

 

Small survey results supports the obvious.

"In addition, greater trust and confidence in President Trump, greater trust in the federal government, and greater conspiratorial ideation were associated with an increased likelihood of contracting the virus. But the relationship between these variables appeared to be mediated by COVID knowledge. In other words, those with greater conspiratorial ideation tended to have reduced knowledge about the virus, which in turn was associated with a heightened risk of contracting it."

People who believe COVID-19 misinformation are more likely to contract the virus

 

Part of the rationale for vaccination was to create an immune response that would hasten mutations to a less virulent form. And, again, the argument, “vaccinated People get sick” ignores those who do t. And that those who do have less risk of severe illness than the unvaccinated because their immense systems are trained and respond faster (before severe infection sets in while the body learns the correct response). And the super immunity of those who had prior infection and the vaccine. And that prior to the vaccines, people were dying because of the immune responses to the vaccine in their untrained immune symptoms when the initial response didn’t clear the infection. Or that the failure to get vaccinated leaves the population at levels below needed to reach herd immunity if endemic levels. The same people who were arguing for herd immunity in the early days are really promoting the same thing now: unvaccinated disease spread. And, they are getting it now anyway. So, one way or another, this will soon be different. Because you can’t avoid omicron. It is only the risk level now.

 

Experts being wrong has nothing to do with conspiracy theory, i don't know who brought 'conspiracy theory' that you referer to into the thread?. You are the one who said the virus mutated in your post, (implying 'experts' original statements were based on the virus not mutating if you go back and read what you wrote and that's why their 'opinion, not fact' changed).

 

LOL. Calling out facts must suck. Zero RCT studies show masks offer any significant protection from viruses. If you think it’s false show me the RCT that masks work. Game over. It’s ok, just move on, this won’t end well for you. The only “misinformation” is coming from the “masks stop the spread” crowd. You’d think being wrong for almost 2 years would set you straight, but some people will die on that hill.

 

as will I when you make crap up.

 

Show me the RCT study where masks show significant protection. Why can’t you do that? Wonder why? LOL

 

So, Saturday Xmas day I went to a bris (a Jewish circumcision) in a packed room. Windows closed. Air on. Maybe 5 people wearing masks. Including me. Needless to say, it was a super spreader. I just dropped off masks for a friend of mine who was positive for a couple of days, is now negative, but still has a cough. He was going through the list of sick people. The 5 of us who wore masks are all fine. A bunch sick. Including at least 2 people who had the virus already once before that I know of. One person who wasn’t masked and then put a mask on who I know is not sick, but he is triple vaxxed and had the monoclonals after an infection this summer. To me, it is very clear that Omicron is evading immunity— natural or vaccinated to some extent. That is evident in my personal experience (others who have it again and vaxed people) and in the reporting. But a milder form of disease. I think we are reaching the end of the pandemic phase. I am not sure it matters anymore if people get vaxxed. One way or another, everyone is going to be exposed to this and have an immune response. And if everyone got vaxxed tomorrow, it is 5 weeks (Phizer) to 6 weeks (Moderna) before the full vaccine resistance takes effect. The links I provided suggest they the vertical increase in the infected will soon decline. And, added to that is the holiday mobility. Airports, hotels, restaurants, indoor Bowl games surf hundreds of thousands etc. The vaccines would protect against earlier variants that may still be out there. So, one way or another, high levels of host immune training will soon be reached.

 

Notice how he keeps tossing out strawmen and attacking others when he was the one who made the claim that couldn't be backed up.

 

The conspiracy theory is that "they" said the vaccine stopped transmission and are now covering it up. It's the "They said the vaccine stopped transmission. Now they are lying and saying they didn’t." video you are supporting.

One expert (Fauci), publicly stated in Feb 2021 "Currently, we do not have enough data to be able to say with confidence that the vaccines can prevent transmission." What he meant is there wasn't information yet on whether asymptotic, vaccinated people can shed and for how long if infected. Naturally, the virus can be transmitted during a breakthrough infection.

What we did know, at the time, was that the vaccines were successful enough at preventing or minimizing infection that they interrupted chains of transmission within a community. That's why case rates fell after the vaccinations started. This benefit has been greatly reduced with Omicron's vaccine evasion.

My mutation comment is below. Where did I claim the experts didn't expect the virus to mutate?

 

Really the only game changer is it’s more transmissible. It’s the way Omicron replicates in our body and at what speed. Up to 70% faster than Delta.
Cloth mask never had a chance even against Delta and Alpha.

 

Ireland who is over 90% vaxxed and 67% boosted breaking daily cases records each day. There is more than enough real world data to show the vaccines have lost a lot of efficacy at prevent infection and transmission of Omicron.

 

Yes. I stated that.

 

It is backed up. There is zero RCT studies showing masks work. It’s that simple. Sucks for you. You can keep deflecting but anyone can see you have no data to back up your claims. I’m saying there are zero RCT studies showing masks offer significant protection. You can’t offer anything to contradict that statement. Thanks for playing. Game, set, match.

 

The original claim was that there were RCT studies that showed masks did zero. That is false.

 

I respectfully disagree with your assessment that masks don't work. The RIGHT masks used CORRECTLY work. The problem is cloth masks aren't made for small particles, get reused without washing, etc. The problem with surgical masks is folks reuse them, do not form them to their noses, leave a gap on the side, etc.

(Btw when in surgical nursing they taught us to twist the ear loops prior to looping them on the ear to decrease said gap. Not once have I seen that put out there).

Cloth masks with appropriate filters work well, too. They're 5-layer filters that fit into a pocket. Again filters have to be changed & masks washed.

To use the seat belt analogy, it's like someone saying they don't work because they looped the shoulder part wrong because it was uncomfortable the right way.

No I don't have studies *shrug* just experience.

 

The claim is there are zero RCT studies showing masks work. You got called out and can’t produce one because it doesn’t exist. Epic fail.

 

The only masks that work significantly well are N95 masks, but those aren’t rational for everyone to use in everyday life. Surgical masks show some success in a few studies and no protection in other studies. But disagree on cloth masks. They offer zero help.

 

Yes, you have changed the claim to one that is correct. Here is the original claim:

Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts