Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Yup. You can't guarantee those things for your kid, but you can certainly swing the odds considerably, just like you can with Covid.

 

Weren't you saying that Florida wouldn't have another spike like a week before that? Did Florida have a spike?

 

yeah, florida has had a spike, last 7 days average 8605, meanwhile autocratic, lockdown, mandate new york averaging 20,729, still 2.5 times higher, keep up the spinning.

 

So you were wrong again on a prediction and are now trying to deflect being wrong to some other issue, but it isn't you that is spinning?

 

and deaths since december 1st, new york 1185, florida 244, and yes i know deaths tend to lag in being recorded, but still, it is most likely the same in both states, so new york has about 4.6 times the death rate, i guess to quote jack nicholson, " you can't handle the truth "

 

since we are picking at nits, what defines a spike, 10, 20, 40% more, what?

 

You calling someone wrong on a prediction/stance is awesome. Thanks for the Christmas laugh.

 

On the 13th, we reported 3,865 new cases, on the 20th we reported 18,404. That seems like a big enough difference to call it a spike.

 

Well, it would certainly seem that Florida's 681% increase in moving 7-day average over the last 3 weeks that started 1 week after you predicted that there wouldn't be one would count regardless of your definition.

 

where did you get your numbers,worldometer shows 9435 for the 20th,where did the other 9,000 come from?

 

As you know, the virus peaks in different areas at different times. Florida looks to be about a week behind NY. FL will likely catch up to NY soon on omicron cases. And of course Florida has far more covid cases and deaths than NY for the whole year.

 

Though I disagree with the gist of your argument, it's not an unreasonable one.

But I have to ask, what would we say if a healthcare worker refused to wear PPE? What if a surgeon refused to scrub before surgery?

Wouldn't these folks similarly expose themselves to being fired for the same reason?

And here's the thing too, it's not vaccines vs ppe, or social distancing or other good or necessary practices. It's doing these things together, and the importance of vaccines in getting us through this mess have been routinely pooh poohed by a large contingent of mis and disinformers.

 

Sadly the UK no longer is providing the solid hard data they were. But you can access some from the past in their technical briefings. The ones in September and October I believe have solid data separating the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

Should make you go hmmm...the fact the new ones do stop providing that information.

Investigation of SARS-CoV-2 variants: technical briefings - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

 

tell you what, in a week post again and we will look at the numbers from today, december 22nd until december 31st and see what is what with the numbers, ok?

 

Lots of links there. What does it say about death rates of vaccinated people vs unvaccinated people. Or can you point me to a specific link that shows this data for the UK?

 

They are the technical briefings. Like I mentioned. The ones in Sept and Oct have solid hard data showing vaccinated hospitalizations and deaths with the unvaccinated. I tried to find stuff in the newer reports. But it appears that information is no longer important enough to report. It fascinates me that we cannot provide such simple data. It should not be that hard for the government to provide hospitalizations and deaths (vaccinated/unvaccinate/unknown). Yet...we can't get it. UK in the middle of technical briefings did it for a short period. Really makes me wonder why it stopped. Well the picture it painted would not help the vaccinate everyone narrative. But...

 

As was pointed out to you, given the percentages of vaccinated and unvaccinated people in that data, the vaccine prevented about 70% of infections according to the data that you posted. You didn't like that, which is why you ignored that fact, and only focused on stats that you could bend to your case.

 

No duh…

“WHO says vaccine booster programs will prolong Covid crisis: 'No country can boost its way out of the pandemic'”

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/22/who-says-covid-vaccine-booster-programs-will-prolong-pandemic.html

 

There's data all over the place showing that vaccinated people have better covid outcomes than unvaccinated people. You are having to intentional avoid it in an effort to find a scrap of data that shows otherwise.

 

Sure. But lets compare deaths too when this current peak is over. That's where vaccine rates make a bigger difference.