Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

That's good to know. I'll be visiting elderly parents next week. I have some home tests, I haven't tried them, but from what I read afterwards it seemed like the error rate was very high.

 

No one has ever stated there is no risk regardless of health conditions. But the data is clear. You can ignore it and take the easy road for some protection. You can take the hard road providing the best protection and decide if you want more as well. Not that hard.

The sad thing is some are making excuses to not do the hard thing that will protect them from Covid. But also protect them from a litany of other health issues. It is not easy to commit to a healthy lifestyle. But it is by far the number one thing you can do to protect yourself. This thing is going to spread vaccinated or unvaccinated.

 

What is the point in answering a question that has been answered? We've talked about this before. You stated you would never mock a healthy person who died of covid or dismiss their death in front of their family or friends yet you do every time you repeat this same question. I posted a comment about nuance of risk including first hand experience with healthy people who died from covid. They were anomalies. They likely (not certainly ) would have lived with a vaccine but assumed they were too healthy to be hurt by covid.

What is the magic data point you need to make it worth taking a relatively harmless vaccine? I can tell you first hand their families wish they had taken one.

In any event you're not going to change your stance. My objection is to your "fear" retort to what was a very fair matter of fact and objective example of healthy people hospitalized and/or dying from covid.

 

Can you show any evidence that being "healthy" is more protective of covid serious illness than vaccine.

You keep throwing out this "anybody can get infected". Yes that is becoming more and more true. But getting infected and getting seriously sick are too vastly different things.

 

That is the consequence of a free country. They have to be commuted. Just like the vaccine. There is a consequence for choosing to take it or not. Some are not concerned about the lack of long term safety data and putting their body to work. Others are. We can all make decisions accordingly.

 

No one is reporting the asymptomatic are spreading this.

 

Q is one of those Oingo Boingo ""Nothing bad ever happens to me" types. OK yes healthy people die (which by the way is different than what he was saying previously, that healthy people have nothing to worry about) but it just isn't / can't happen to him or his family. His ability to brag about his health and his ideological resistance to vaccines is more important than taking a shot and preventing a very small but real possibility that he could leave a family without a father, or put them through a protracted illness. It's just selfish. But obviously he doesn't care.

 

So healthy yet so scared of long term effects of a vaccine.....

 

You bag on others that don't expend the effort to get healthy, but you won't even expend the effort to get a couple of damn shots.

 

I am not mocking or dismissing anyone who died from this disease. It is a real disease. It can lead to your death if you are healthy or unhealthy. Yet the data speaks to which group is a much higher risk.

The data also speaks to the reality these new drugs are not slowing the spread.

So people are going to make decisions accordingly. And deal with the consequences.

 

Yeah, weird, fearing some hypothetical that has never happened before in history. Long term unknown consequences of taking a vaccine.

 

You’ve made the claim yourself! You’ve stated in this thread the vaccinated are more likely to spread it unknowingly than the symptomatic unvaccinated.

 

This is progress.

 

The data from the very beginning shows this. Go talk to your doctor. They will tell you. My doctor to my face said…”you are low risk”. I did not really need him to tell me but…

 

And what do the data say about vaccines and hospitalizations/deaths?

 

The risk of dropping dead from exercise is likely greater than dropping dead from a vaccine. How is that any different? You are willing to accept the very low risk of exercise induced sudden heart attack in order to have the obvious benefits of living a healthy life. But you aren't willing to accept by any measure a practically non existent risk of a vaccine that would lower your risk of covid serious illness approximately 90%.

 

I'm not a scientist but in our cardiology practice we've had all kinds of covid patients. Everyone from ages 15-93, male, female, different races, etc. We've remained open throughout. Those who had high blood pressure but nothing else seemed to recover relatively well. Those who seemed to fare the worst were those who had COPD beforehand, or pulmonary hypertension. Next have been those who have active severe blockages but weren't on anticoagulants. Those who just had high blood pressure alone really didn't do too badly. Those on full dose aspirin or full anticoagulants did very well.

Most our patients are elderly and obese but definitely some "healthy weight" patients who didn't do well. I will say not all preexisting conditions are created equal, though.

Again these are conversations someone should have with their doctors.

 

Nobody is talking about asymptomatic spread. Doesn't mean it isn't being researched, and it isn't happening. Journal of American Medicine study estimated 1 in 4 cases spread from an asymptomatic person.

And one reason to get vaccinated is to protect others. Vaccinated people can get a breakthrough case and spread COVID, but the vaccinated person is less likely to catch the virus. And if they do, the vaccinated rids the body of the virus 2 days faster. Meaning a vaccinated person is less likely to be contagious, meaning less spread.

 

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

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This is the problem you get with information. The first link says 78% of covid hospitalizations are overweight or obese!!! But look at the data and 74% of the adult population is overweight or obese.

 

Agreed. I think if they did more research they may find more consistency with underlying conditions. I was just sharing what I've come across. We average 120 patients daily if that helps, although at the shutdown we dropped to about 80 per day.

Anecdotally we have a patient with just high blood pressure (has arthritis and some skin issues) but has a morbidly obese BMI that had a mild case. We have another patient in the healthy range with major blockage issues and severe COPD who spent 2 weeks in the hospital including some time intubated. So on paper you'd think the morbidly obese person would be far worse off.

I think that kind of info would help with treatment options, too.