Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Because right now that's the best thing we know is to keep people out of the hospitals... I have said that so many times. Try to keep up, will you?

It's like a circle with you.

What we know is its loses effeteness to prevent spread or infection very quickly. We think it's still effective at keeping people from a serious illness. It's why mandating people to get it makes zero sense.

My concern right now is that some countries are showing signs that maybe even keeping people out of hospitals is starting to lose its effectiveness. I pray I am wrong of course.

 

Wait, but then you said:

And:

So does the vaccine prevent hospitalizations or not?

So again, you claim it prevents hospitalizations, but then you take it back by the end of the post. You are trying to argue both sides. Are you praying that you are wrong that it prevents hospitalizations or are you praying that you are wrong that it doesn't, because, again, you took both positions in this post.

 

It isn’t anti-vaxx or anti anything to discuss the strengths and weakness of vaccinations..

 

IMO, the problem with your analysis is you are only considering benefits or lack thereof. What's the cost? Seems close to 0. Hence, the benefit would need to only exceed 0 or something very close to it, to make it a net benefit. I know personally 3 people including a guy younger than me who were told the vaccine saved their life. I'd gladly take the vaccine if it provided a .01% improvement to society. Jesus, kids got killed in SE Asia for nothing.

 

This is the whole crux of the vaccine deniers/hesitant/etc. This false narrative that there is some material cost or danger of the vaccine that has to be balanced against the benefits (that they greatly downplay). While there are always remote risks, the risks involved with the vaccine are far lower than activities we engage in everyday and don’t think twice about.

 

When is he going to start discussing the strengths?

 

My wife was in the ER right before thanksgiving - she gashed her head trail running - dog's fault. Our 17 yo daughter has had 'rona & is fully vaxxed & coaches little kids in gymnastics 5 days a week & starting Sat will be teaching snowboarding to kids from around the world & will be going to see her 80+ yo grandparents over xmas. We asked the doc about lying to get her a booster & if it was risky. He laughed & said she'd be far more likely to die driving to the gym.

cost/benefit analysis people!!

 

I think there are plenty of posts discussing the positives of the vaccines in this forum.

 

And I would say most of those posts are from people that are pro-vaccine, not anti-vaccine. If you generally post things that are positive about a vaccine, that seems to me to be pro-vax, and if you only post negative things, that would seem to be anti-vax.

 

It is hard for me to feel compassion for those who are willfully stupid and spread their idiocy to millions of others. Maybe perhaps this will help a few people realize that if you do dumb stuff Jesus isn't necessarily going to come to your rescue.

 

One of the biggest factors for me in getting boosters for me and eventually teenage kids is visiting my 85+ year old parents.

 

Or you don’t feel the need to post “pro” vaccine info because the pros are well known.
Some people think the vaccines are the holy grail of this pandemic and they are great for the most part(at least the 3 used in the US). But it’s not a one answer solution to this pandemic, and situations change over time..

 

So what, specifically, are the well known pros?

 

While cases appear to be higher than ever in Denmark, hospitalizations & deaths are a fraction of what they were at their worst.

 

Yeah the post was circular.


Of course vaccines reduce hospitalizations, and that's good!! But mandates that *only* prevent hospitalizations are bad! And it looks like the vaccine isnt preventing hospitalizations!!!

 

You just do not know this. No one knows the long term potential risks/issues. To not even acknowledge this is a huge part of the vaccinate is the only answer tunnel vision. You can disagree with a person for wanting to wait for more data on the issue. But you cannot blanket say the risks are far less for everyone.

 

I don't think anyone should be forced to get a vaccine in order to keep their job. A big problem with health care coverage is when you have no discounts for mitigating behavior by individuals. IMO, vaccine status or previous covid infection, if adequate data and analysis can be kept and made, should be a mitigating factor ( like non-smoking) in future costs. I also believe that weight, diet, etc are other factors in future costs.
If an isurance discount was given for covid vaccinations, and incentives were also given for covid vaccinations, it would balance out the increased hospitalizations costs for non vaccinated people and would also encourage people to get vaccinated.

 

Logically, which carries more long term risk? A vaccine with a mRNA strand and organic material that all breaks down and leaves the body in 8 hours? Or a virus, containing the same mRNA, plus a full viral genome, that takes days for the body to completely expel?

The answer is obvious. And a recent UF study shows why. Seems like even those that recover from a series bout of COVID are 2X more likely to die within a year of leaving the hospital. Simply put, COVID ravages a body and leaves the person less capable to fight off other diseases, leaving them vulnerable.

 

What carries more risk. Forcing your body into in a reaction or not?

You make the assumption one gets covid. You continue to make assumptions and look at them as fact.

I agree one might obtain a potential therapeutic help by taking one of these drugs if they get Covid.

At the same time many are flat low risk even if they do get Covid. So if someone wants to get a potential therapeutic help they should. And if they get Covid they should seek the therapies that are in the end going to be how we fight Covid going forward along with eventual 2nd and 3rd generation drugs that work much better than the booster up drugs we have now.

Medicine is not a one size fits all thing. It is way more complicated than that.

 

The problem here is that obesity would solve not only a lot of the insurance costs we face without Covid. But most with Covid as well.

The data shows healthy people are low risk. Vaccinated or unvaccinated. And there is a reason that both the vaccinated and unvaccinated take the expensive monoclonal treatments. And both should. But it makes no sense to tell an unvaccinated person needs to pay for monoclonal treatments and extra costs when the vaccinated are using the same treatments and also ending up in the hospital.