Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

It's not just themselves. It's the impact it has on other people through spreading as well as additional burden on health care facilities.

If it was just about themselves the backlash would not be nearly as harsh.

 

You're welcome to your opinion. Like Ive said I've read and heard from knowledgable sources of the two exercise is probably most important but they are both definitely important. It's also about matter of degrees on both.

 

Yup.
The older you get, the harder it is to outrun a bad diet.

 

Obviously there have been far more infections than the official number. But 95 was trying to use that fact to make the case that natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity (he said 'Just more proof of NI being clearly superior to the vaccine'). That there were 100 million unofficial cases does not help his claim that NI is better than vaccine -- it most likely hurts it. It makes it more likely that there are a lot of reinfections that aren't being counted.

 

Agree. I'm not following his logic, if that terms even applies.

The general evidence indicates the vaccine is better over a few months, and is more consistent, but longer term some cases of natural immunity may hold up better, but a sizable chunk of infections never fully activate immunity in the first place.

Personally it seems like this debate has little practical consequences and is just a political debate.

 

Yep. I was plant based for 10 years after eating horribly for most of my first 50 plus years. Lost weight and kept my cholesterol on check. But, eating oils and fake meats etc sometimes still left my total cholesterol at the high normal levels. Not good enough, especially with the prior bad eating and family history. So, I went to the next level. Rather live than eat a vegan pizza.

 

It isn’t opinion.

 

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Bear in mind that immunity from Coronaviruses are not forever. That is why people get colds more than once. The advantage of a vaccine is that it controls for dosage. And the studies show that the immune repossessed is stronger in vaxxed folks with prior infections. It makes no sense that a previously infected person would not have an immunity from the infection because the infection, like the vaccine, triggers the immune response. And an infected persons immune system encounters the real virus and all of its parts and characteristics. Not the mRNA or Johnson imitation. That said, since dosage is not controlled, the immunity of a previously infected person is hard to predict. And I ideally, We would like an immune system response in the first few days to an infection before it takes hold and a person gets sick. Also, natural immunity is a false concept because getting sick to create immunity is a bad idea and people get Coronaviruses more than once.

 

Totally agree on all of this.

Covid is different, like the flu and colds, that once antibodies fade, as they do with ALL diseases and vaccines, the fast incubating nature of covid and flu means infection sometimes beats long term memory T cell activation, thus infections will be inevitable even if severe illness may not be.

 

Your links Are comparing weight loss to exercise. When I use the phrase “plant based diet,” I am talking about a lifetime way to eat, not a diet to lose weight. There is a big difference between losing weight, dieting to lose weight and a forever way of eating. You can lose weight on a high protein meat based diet that has no fruits and vegetables. You can be thin and fit on that diet. But you eventually will develop a western diet style disease. Unless you are in the margins. The comparison is wrong.

 

My suspicion is that those cDC numbers are accurate. Which is why we are seeing fewer cases and less severe disease. I support doing what we can to vaccinate the world too. Wholly support the recent initiative. Should have been done sooner. Get places open everywhere. Act of kindness for the world. And help open supply chains. Etc etc. One problem is that countries which have vaccines that don’t work so well, like China and Russia, are spreading their garbage and would not take ours.

 

Just when I think you can’t say anything more outlandish, you come and totally surprise with an even more uneducated statement. It’s not a shock, but man, at some point I thought you would get something right, but man was I wrong. My bad, won’t make that mistake again.

 

Really doubt it. Maybe I am the outlier that does not know a single person who has had Covid twice but knows a bunch of fully vaccinated who have gotten Covid. But again…I really doubt it.

 

Absolutely it is more than exercise. Diet is a whole topic in itself. Some say plant based. Some say protein based. Some say no carbs. I say portion control. My wife is more plant based now. I enjoy a few of the things. But I am going to eat meat as well. I like the leaner meats. But will enjoy a fatty red meat occasionally. The key is control. Good news for me is I love fish and the wife does to.

 

You assume an unvaccinated person purposely engages in risky behavior. It is arguable that the vaccinated person is worse than the unvaccinated person if they assume they cannot spread Covid because they are vaccinated (I am not saying that person is worse just pointing out that a lot of vaccinated people believe they are protected to the point they will go out thinking there is no way they have Covid when they do just because they are vaccinated).

Hopefully the Pfizer pill is as good as the data says. I don’t think the Merck pill is going to be the one. But with this thing headed endemic and the vaccines just not doing a great job at slowing the spread…I see an antiviral approach as the way to end the fear so many are living in right now. I could be wrong. But when the dust settles we will have boosters and hopefully new generation vaccines for those that want them and therapeutics to fight the disease. The data on the Pfizer pill apparently looks really good. Which would be huge with the monoclonal antibodies.

 

I understand your theory but I suspect the opposite is true. People that are vaxxed take the disease more seriously, are more likely to use masks, social distance or just stay home.

I hope it is too, but I don't understand how it's preferable to take a $800 drug after you get the disease vs $20 for a vaccine that prevents it in the first place.

 

Man that's dumb. You continue to embarrass yourself.

 

I know if I’ve been wrong for most of the last 20+ months I wouldn’t be running my mouth, but it seems you have no such issue with it. Not a surprise. You can’t admit you were wrong. That’s the issue. You keep doubling down and have been consistently wrong. It takes some serious mental gymnastics to be able to do that. Maybe when you stop playing politics you will see the light, but I don’t have faith it that happening.

 

The notion that we rely firstly on treating people after becoming sick rather than trying to prevent sickness in the first place is what has you confused and completely at odds with public health. You also keep repeating the mistaken belief that vaccines are not doing a great job.

Covid Vaccine Percent Reduction of Rates Compared to Unvaccinated:

Infections -82.7%
Hospitalizations: -94.6%
Deaths: -91.9%