Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Obesity is not contagious. People won't put me in danger with their excess 35 lbs. Vax mandates required you to have numerous vaccines, your political agenda must have caused amnesia on that.

 

And the vaccinated are spreading this just like the unvaccinated. Gibraltar is seeing a massive surge with 100% vaccinated. We saw the nursing home with 87 out of 89 fully vaccinated. I understand you want to believe these drugs work to slow the spread. What they do is potentially provide a therapeutic response if you happen to get the disease.

I hope you at least acknowledge the most basic of science in that natural immunity is robust and strong by all measures we are seeing. Amazing our cdc has decided not to track the issue. But we know the answer. The data speaks. Just stinks we have a narrative being pushed instead of real science. The fact our cdc has ignored natural immunity is criminal. But the silence allowed by ignoring it is part of how propaganda works to push a narrative.

 

Same in all sides. You don’t understand the legal issues and how cases are decided. I literally laid out the application of the law and references the cases this morning and the argument why the need for mandates outweighs the privacy interest and how a court would (in part) reason through this. Most of the left leaning people have argued that the societal need for vaccines outweighs individual privacy. It is the right wingers here who scream freedom of choice in absolutes and who are essentially ignoring the science on the benefits of the vaccines. You can see it today in the posting of raw numbers in cases without a breakdown of vaccines versus unvaccinated. Severity versus less severe. It borders on a colossal waste of time to address a legal inquiry and to ignore the inquiry the courts actually make. I started threads on this months ago which were largely ignored and even when I post it here, it gets back to the same discussion.

 

It was a pretty constant drumbeat. Republicans tried to get rid of it in 2012, 2014, and 2017. Here is some of the background on that:

GOP bill would repeal Agriculture Dept. calorie caps on school lunches
Trump administration relaxing Obama-era school lunch standards

 

I don't care about the legal issues; we're discussing moral issues. If the law supports mandates, then the law is morally wrong. If you're talking soft mandates (like with all the other required vaccines), then I'm fine with that...as I've mentioned in the past. The difference with COVID is there's no grace given for folks who have already had it, and there's no exemption options. That's problematic. And from what I can tell, the legal aspect on all of that is still being sorted out, but I don't recall bringing that up previously. Regardless, we can discuss the morality of it without having to belabor ourselves with the legality of it.

What legal issues have I brought up?

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

Good Lord here you go again! NO THEY ARE NOT! You are many, many times more likely to get covid if you are unvaccinated. Stop being despicable.

 

Their current massive surge is less than half their big surge last winter. Our recent surge was almost 50% more than our big surge last winter.

Looks like vaccination is working.

 

Gibraltar has a population of about 33,600. They are seeing a spike in cases of about 50 to 75 a day. And overall, their positivity rate is still less than 2%. Again, that's still better than the 95% effective rate for the vaccine. And again, 0 deaths, and exactly 1 person in the hospital from COVID over the last month. How is this considered a failure for the vaccine? If the vaccine can keep 99.9% of people out of the hospital, and 100% of the people alive, is that really a failure? Absolutely not.

And the most basic science that natural immunity is robust and strong versus vaccine immunity isn't settled. There are several studies like this one, or this one, or this one that show vaccine immunity being stronger than natural immunity. And when you have multiple studies that show different results, then the science isn't settled, and far from basic. There is something else or multiple somethings else that are going on. To claim the science is basic when many studies have different results is the height of scientific ignorance.

 

I know you do not like to acknowledge it but the vaccinated are a huge part of the spread. And yes I understand they make up a large percentage of the population now. Hence they are a large portion of the spread.

 

Hopefully it slows quickly. They had a big surge then so they should have more natural immunity already in the community to hopefully help stop this surge. They have almost 20% of the population with a confirmed case compared to the US with about 15% of the population with a confirmed case. We can assume each has more.

 

It isn’t anything like what Jews went through. A guy in my synagogue (OBM) at 14 was deported to Auschwitz. At Auschwitz, he was told to tell a man of he was asked how old he was that he was 18. If he said he was 14, he would be put in the line to the gas chambers. So, he said he was 14. And somehow survived the hell he was in. So, please stop your disgusting comparisons. You have no idea what you are talking about and your posting comments are offensive. And stop insulting the intelligence of those who keep warning you that what you are saying is not offensive. Jews had to wear stars and shoe papers because they were Jewish. Not because they refused to get a vaccine that reduced disease transmission and severity during a public health crises. There is no comparison.

 

Right. Morally wrong to vaccinate people so they reduce the odds of catching and spreading a serious disease or taxing the health care system. So, let’s talk morality. Morally wrong to prohibit drink driving, require seatbelts, and on and in. Everyone gets to decide morality based on their own opinion. Not a central standard like the constitution and law.

 

Only did an hour and a half. I don't hit large drops anymore but still hit jumps. One of the lines had some work done and i hit a jump all wonky. At 58, i can still take a high speed wreck pretty well.
More importantly, bike is fine.

 

Stop the presses. You mean that poster tried to use information in a dishonest manner. Not to mention the repetitive lie of "And the vaccinated are spreading this just like the unvaccinated. " that has been proven false multiple times. Intentional intellectual dishonesty seems to pervade those posts.

 

You’re like a psychopath. I’ve never said vaccinated people can’t get/spread the virus. What I’d love for you to do is stop pretending that the vaccine doesn’t prevent the spread of the virus AT ALL. Just acknowledge that it’s MITIGATING the spread at least SOMEWHAT. That’s all I ask. Because your constant posts like this suggest you believe otherwise.

 

You explain a facility with 120 beds in 2017 they had 97 filled when they filed their report with the state but even if they were at capacity...67 over half got covid. 22 employees got covid (could not quickly figure out how many employees they have but I will bet that is at least half as well. So almost surely they had over half of the people test positive for covid. And 87 of the 89 were fully vaccinated.

Go ahead and believe the vaccinated do not spread this like the unvaccinated.

Connecticut nursing home COVID-19 outbreak results in 89 infected, 8 dead - ABC News (go.com)

 

@buckeyegator - Except nobody here on Too Hot claimed that Trump created the virus.

 

Literally everything you wrote is wrong. Again.

 

Anecdotal evidence time:

My co-worker's unvaccinated brother got Covid two weeks ago. Diagnosed on a Tuesday dead on Thursday.

This week, my 70 year old MIL got it. She's vaccinated. High fever and aches. But despite having every possible comorbidity, no breathing trouble at all. On the mend and feeling better each day.