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Over 8,600 kids 5-11 hospitalized from COVID. Over 170 dead. How many now need to end up there now that the vaccine is available? What's the minimum number of kids saved to make the vaccine worth giving?

And remember, kids also spread the disease. The vaccine will help slow this too. How many adults need to be saved because a kid didn't get and spread COVID because they were vaxxed to make vaccinating kids worth it?

 

So by you trying to change the question I take it zero kids were hospitalized in neither of the trials. Your garbage spin tells me that. Thanks. Those numbers you posted are full of shit. Cdc even admits that. I get it, it sucks rhat the vaccine didn’t show that it prevents hospitalizations or deaths in children thus ruining your whole “Vax everyone” argument. Tough luck. Case closed. Thanks for playing.

 

Well, crap.

How SARS-CoV-2 in American deer could alter the course of the global pandemic — NPR

 

If you are pro vax why are all of your post anti vax?

 

How many kids got myocarditis or were hospitalized from the vaccine in the trial?

 

I answered zero kids were hospitalized in the trials. Why don't you answer the question, how many kid's lives does the vaccine need to save to be worth it? And how many adult lives saved because kids weren't COVID vectors need to be saved to make the vaccine worth it?

 

they aren’t. Everyone over 18 Vax up. I’ve said it dozens of times in this thread. Kids don’t need it. No masks either. Get boosters as well. Move on with life. Not complicated. Been saying it since April when I got my vaccine.

 

none. I acknowledged that.

 

It isn’t proven to save any lives in children. That’s what the trial showed us. Good effort though. Only kids with underlying conditions should get the vaccine.

 

OK fine. So you don't think vaccines are necessary for kids, in your vast experience of medical expertise. More seriously, I think you are wrong, but your view isn't out of the realm of reasonableness. The benefits to kids are incremental and marginal.

But as you admit, the dangers of the vaccine given the tests are also rare. You linked a case where Taiwan decided to withhold a second dose for teens based on 17 mycardosis cases in a million vaccinations. Which in itself is very rare.

So why are you so adamant agsinst them, if there is so little evidence against them. It's one thing to think the small benefits don't outweigh the small risks, it's another to be so dogmatic and adamantly agsinst it to the point that it resembles a religious belief and a core of your identity.

 

It’s not just me thats adamant. The WHO doesnt recommend the vaccine for kids yet. A lot of Europe isn’t vaxxing kids yet. I know it’s hard to believe, but we don’t know what adverse reactions are to this vaccine in children. It’s why the fda approval process is so long, so they find out for sure. Now the vaccine needed to be rushed for the elderly and those with underlying conditions because they are by far the most at risk. But when you can count the number of healthy kids who have died on your hands(give or take), then why Vax kids when 1. There is risk of myocarditis(especially boys) and 2. The vaccine only works for a short period of time and 3. We have no idea if kids with natural immunity already even need the vaccine or if getting the vaccine after having natural immunity increases the risk of myocarditis. Too many inlnowins at this time to risk kids. If your kid isn’t healthy then Vax them. My son is an athlete and neither he nor his parents want him to have the vaccine. Anyone saying one way or the other the vaccine for kids is safe is full of crap. We have no idea. I mean we had VIOXX that was fda approved and later found to cause serious health risks. Anyone saying well this is different is full of shit. I don’t know for sure one way or the other but what I do know is only a handful of healthy kids have died from Covid and that’s why I’m not worried about it for my kids.

 

170+ kids in the US 5-11 dead from COVID. More kids around the world too. Vaccine will prevent kids from getting the virus. Therefore, the vaccine will save lives.

COVID also spreads through kids too. Vaccinated kids are significantly less likely to catch and spread COVID, and those with a breakthrough case will recover quicker. Less kids with COVID, less spread to adults. Less people dying.

 

The WHO isn't recommending it, yet, but they aren't adamantly agsinst it. Most of Europe is at least making them available to teens, with some exceptions. They are generally following suit, just at a slower pace.

There were no incidences of myocarditis in the trial. The incidence in teens so far has been very low. If you don't want your kid to have it fine, but why campaign to make it unavailable to other parents?

"The vaccine only works a short time" - that's just a lie. It has been shown to prevent serious illness at 90% or better for most age groups - for at least 6 months. The efficacy is even higher for younger ages.

As to vioxx, it was taken off the market, but years later large clinical trials did not demonstrate an increased risk from these drugs (COX-2). There are others still on the market. Like everything there are costs and benefits. If one is suffering severe arthritis the nominal risk may be well worth it. Vioxx (rebranded) is now again being used for some limited purposes.

All of that aside, Vioxx is a medicine that you take indefinitely. Vaccines you take every so often. There is no logical or medical reason to think years down the road unknown side effects are going to occur from a vaccine. That has never happened before. Vaccines work by prompting your immune system. They don't stay in your body for months or years.

 

Nope. Keep making up numbers. CDC says themselves those numbers are false, only you have to go look for the data and you seem to lazy to do that or you have an agenda. You figure out which one.

 

6 months isn't a long time in just about any way of keeping time. And you ask why i'm adamant, well we have fear mongers posting how dangerous it is for kids and that's a blatant lie. If that poster stops saying vax kids then you won't hear me bring it up to refute his bogus claims. Some places are on shot 4 for the vaccine. There is a logical reason to worry about side affects down the road. IF there wasn't the FDA would've fully approved the vaccine for kids. Why didn't they?

 

but isnt myocarditis a temporary aliment?

 

Most of the time yes, but there are serious cases also. But, I see taking the vaccine for children as upping the risk of getting myocarditis. And since the vaccine only lasts 6 months at most then we are looking at booster shots which we have no idea would increase or decrease the risk of myocarditis in children. When a handful of healthy kids in the US have died of covid that is as close to zero risk as there can be. Not need to scare parents into doing something that doesn't need to be done.

Myocarditis - Symptoms and causes

 

The contagious delta variant is driving up COVID-19 hospitalizations in the Mountain West and fueling disruptive outbreaks in the North, a worrisome sign of what could be ahead this winter in the U.S.

While trends are improving in Florida, Texas and other Southern states that bore the worst of the summer surge, it’s clear that delta isn’t done with the United States. COVID-19 is moving north and west for the winter as people head indoors, close their windows and breathe stagnant air.

“We’re going to see a lot of outbreaks in unvaccinated people that will result in serious illness, and it will be tragic,” said Dr. Donald Milton of the University of Maryland School of Public Health.


COVID-19 hot spots offer sign of what could be ahead for US

 

There is another obvious reason the media coverage is going to differ in terms of “intensity”. One guy is one of the biggest names in the NFL, the other is a lineman with zero name recognition. Rodgers gets wall to wall coverage for many things (including this off-season if he would return to the Packers). Realistically, a random offensive lineman would literally have to die or commit murder to get intense coverage.

Not that individual anecdotes matter. Before jumping straight to “vAcCiNeS dOnT wOrK, lEtS gO BrAnDoN”, you’d think one would want to know WHICH vaccine the guy received and on what date. We know that the immunity starts reduced to maybe half in all vaccines after 6+ months, but this is especially true if it was the J&J vaccine.

 

Half of Cal's 99% vaxxed team tested positive for covid. I have no idea why they can't play if they aren't showing symptoms. I mean UF played a bunch of guys with the Flu last week and that is just as dangerous for that age group as covid is.

Cal football COVID outbreak: Game rescheduled after 44 players, staff test positive for virus