Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Last name starts with Q. Associate it however you wish. If you want to inject your kids…you should have the ability to do so. Mine will not be getting anywhere near these new drugs.

 

Yeah, this looks great for vaxing kids LOLl

 

Cant remember the last time flu vaccines were a requirement for children to attend school:

CDC: Young children hospitalized for flu at highest rates, 7 have died | AAP News | American Academy of Pediatrics



https://www.statesman.com/story/new...s-flu-harder-on-kids-than-covid-19/113718780/

During the 2018-19 flu season, the CDC reported approximately 480 flu deaths among children ages 0-17, about 30% of whom had a lab-confirmed case of influenza.

 

Ok I always wondered if you were a q-ster given your propensity to conspiracy and alternative facts.

I don't have young kids. A young adult and an upper teen. Both fully vaxxed.

 

5% of what? Where did you get this image?

How did they come up with estimated childhood vaccine myocarditis numbers when the trials had zero cases and there otherwise has not been childhood vaccinations?

 

Fda website. Try it sometime. Go read up on it. Enlightening.

 

https://www.fda.gov/media/153507/download

I did. You cherry picked the one most unrealistic scenario out of six, which assumes covid practically goes away, and the vaccine efficacy was only 70-80%, which is lower than the 91% actual results. All of the other scenarios the vaccine comparison was favorable.

Of course if covid goes away, the side effects of the vaccines will be greater than the disease which doesn't exist.

Conclusions
• For Scenarios 1 (Base), 2 (Recent COVID-19 Peak Incidence), 4 (Higher Vaccine Efficacy), 5 (Higher COVID-19 Death Rate), and 6 (Lower Excess Myocarditis Rate) the model predicts that benefits of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine 2-dose primary series clearly outweigh the risks for ages 5-11 years.
• For Scenario 3 (The Lowest COVID-19 Incidence), the model predicts more excess hospitalizations and ICU stays due to vaccine-related myocarditis/pericarditis compared to prevented hospitalizations and ICU stays due to COVID-19 in males and in both sexes combined.
• Considering the different implications and length of stay for COVID-19 hospitalization versus hospitalization for vaccine-associated myocarditis/pericarditis, and benefits related to prevention of cases of COVID-19 with significant morbidity, the overall benefits of the vaccine may still outweigh the risks under this lowest incidence scenario.
• If the myocarditis/pericarditis risk in this age group is lower than the conservative assumption used in the model, the benefit-risk balance would be even more favorable.

 

The vaccine is only high for about 6 weeks. Then it drops to under 50%. You really need to brush up on your numbers. I’m quoting where covid in FL right now. Sorry to burst your vax every kid bit, but it’s complete garbage. The WHO doesn’t recommend it because they are less political than the cdc. Sad what the cdc has become. Even more sad that some people just believe everything that comes from the cdc.

 

That's just false.

 

No conspiracy or alternative facts. I look at the data. Then weigh the risks verse the benefits. I have always supported those that want to take the new drugs. Just like I support those that do not want to take these new drugs.

A few months ago I would have recommended more people to take these drugs (elderly/obese/immune compromised). Now I would just highly recommend people in those groups consider them (obese/immune compromised probably still should). But would understand a healthy older person deciding not to (it should be their decision).

This disease is just not that dangerous to the young and healthy. The data speaks shows this. Of course there are cases where a young healthy person dies or end up in the hospital. It is just not common. So it is completely reasonable for that person to not want to force their body into a reaction for a new drug to create short term antibodies.

Then you throw in that natural immunity is superior and actually quite robust. So no one in that group needs the vaccine. If they want it. By all means.

 

Well deaths of any kind for young people are "not common". But if you can prevent them with no material risks, why wouldnt you?

Why are they forced? Because the unvaxxed spread it to others, and increases overall hospitalization and deaths, and increase the load on the medical system and increase medical costs for everyone. If the unvaxxed paid for their own hospitalization and didn't spread the disease then I'd agree, no mandates. Let Darwinism work it's magic.

 

The vaccinated spread this as well. Quite easily. Are they to pay for their own Covid healthcare. There are a lot of unvaccinated who are navigating this safely and respectfully Covid free. If the vaccine was not extremely leaky and actually worked then I would disagree with the argument but could at least give it consideration. The obese cost the healthcare system far more. Should we charge them more/make them pay for their own healthcare? They would be more protected from Covid if they did something about it. And it would alleviate a lot on the system.

The Catch 22 of a free country.

 

You have repeated these lies so often , you must actually believe them at this point. Tilly expressed dislike at Az for his repeating facts.

 

Again, please stop posting lies. Vaccinated people are far less likely to get COVID. If you don't get sick, you can't pass the virus along. And while peak viral load between the vaccinated with a breakthrough and unvaccinated case is the same, the vaccinated recover much quicker, meaning total viral load is less. Less viral load overall, less shedding, less infectious.

While those with a breakthrough case can spread the virus, overall, the vaccinated spread the virus as a significantly reduced rate.

 

Not totally accurate. The vaccine prevents infection on average about 82%. Of course this number varies widely based on the individual and the time from vaccination, but it still substantially prevents infections which reduces the spread. This has been presented to you many times. Why do you ignore it?

It isn't leaky. You fundamentally don't understand vaccinations and infections. It's fine thst you don't, I didn't either until a few months ago, but nonetheless you are spreading incorrect info.

If you wanted to say anything is leaky, you could say out bodies long term defenses are leaky, in that don't stop initial incubation of fast incubating diseases like covid and the flu. Antibodies don't last forever. They can't. If they did we would die. So any covid or flu vaccine will seem "leaky" in the long term. It is unavoidable. Same with natural immunity. Now you can increase the dosage, like Moderna, and get a longer antibody response, but eventually it will fade.

Again this has been explained to you multiple times. Doesn't it bother you when you make yourself look ignorant by posting stuff that is just flat out wrong?

It wouldn't work fast enough to treat covid any time soon, but I'm not against charging premiums for failure to stay within certain controllable parameters. It gets kind of sticky but I'd still support it. But a lifelong path towards obesity is far more complex than to refuse to take two mostly harmless shots for no good reason other than intransigence.

 

No it’s not. Why the hell you think they are giving out boosters like it’s Halloween candy? For shits and giggles? Man, get out and read. Stop watching msnbc for a bit.

 

They need more test subjects for the third and fourth doses. Initial trials stopped at 2 what better way than to collect data…

 

Produce a reputable source that verifies vaccine efficacy decreases to 50% at six weeks. That may be true in some instances agsinst infection after 6 months but not six weeks. However defense against hospitalization remains near 90% for most age groups.

 

Huh, wonder why this wasn't already discovered during the vaccine trials?

 

Singapore will stop covering Covid costs for those who decline to be vaccinated.

Singapore will no longer cover the medical costs of Covid-19 patients who are eligible to get vaccinated against the virus but choose not to, the country’s Health Ministry says.

“We will begin charging Covid-19 patients who are unvaccinated by choice,” starting Dec. 8, the ministry said in a statementon Monday. Those who are not eligible for the shots will be exempt from the rule, it said, including children under 12 and people with certain medical conditions.