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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. l_boy

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    So I give you an answer, but because you don't understand it that somehow invalidates it? You can't make this shit up.
     
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  2. gator95

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    Yeah, you’re right, no one takes me seriously. Everyone takes those who want to vaccinate perfectly healthy kids with an experimental non fda approved vaccine. Sounds brilliant. I get it, it sucks that the placebo and vaccine group both accomplished the same thing. Zero hospitalizations. Zero deaths. No one who isn’t living in constant fear of covid knew this would happen. The flu is much more dangerous than covid. Yet the flu vaccine is fda approved. I’m in the majority bud. Anyone wanting to vax a healthy young child is the one who shouldn’t be taken seriously.
     
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  3. gator95

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    I see you only are allowed to answer 1 question and that’s it LOL. Oops. Maybe the WHO will get bought like the cdc did and approve any kid to get the vaccine.
     
  4. surfin_bird

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    Comparing the holocaust with health mandates and vaccines is nuttier than a snicker's bar. WTQ. I am pro-choice, mostly, but to imply that Covid 19 and promotion of the vaccine is some kind of government plot to take over Amerika is just, wow.

    Fast approaching 1 million dead in less than 2 years. Maybe in a few more years, we can play armchair quarterback, but I do not think we are there yet.
     
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  5. buckeyegator

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    like the spelling of amerika, commrade........
     
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  6. surfin_bird

    surfin_bird Freshman

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    I thought that was the QANON spelling. And I prefer to be called Commissar. What, do I look like a peasant?
     
  7. l_boy

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    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-11-2-3/02-COVID-Gurtman-508.pdf




    Why are you asking me? You already answered your own question above. Are you debating yourself? Who is winning?

    One thing you failed to mention:

    • FDAAESIs:
    – No anaphylaxis
    – No myocarditis/pericarditis
    – No Bell’s palsy (or facial paralysis/paresis) – No appendicitis


    No myocarditis. It reduced infection substantially, but had no instances of the most serious side effect of the vaccine in other groups. And yes, there no hospitalizations in either group, but it was a small sample size. Hospitalizations are comparatively rare. But if you reduce infection rate 90% you reduce hospitalization rate substantially also.

    You can't use the "no hospitalization" argument due to small sample size yet ignore the "no myocarditis" result due to same phenomenon.
     
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  8. tilly

    tilly Superhero Mod. Fast witted. Bulletproof posts. Moderator VIP Member

    I guess what I am saying is we are entering a different territory here.
    Forcing something on my kids that I hesitated on myself early on seems odd to me.

    I will wait it out a lot longer for them then I did for me.
     
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  9. gator95

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    Wonder why they didn’t have any myocarditis cases? Was it because their sample size was way too small? Wow, you really got me there. So we have zero risk to covid since zero kids were hospitalized. So by that logic we shouldn’t vaccinate any kids since there was no difference between placebo and vaccine group with hospitalizations. Thanks for agreeing with me. Appreciate it.
     
  10. buckeyegator

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    post a picture so we can decide.
     
  11. gatordavisl

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    When people cared enough to read about the science behind the virus. It's there if you are willing to learn from it.
     
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  12. l_boy

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    I would argue that your initial hesitation was an incorrect processing of the information, although kudos to you for getting to the right place. So just because you unnecessarily delayed for you doesn't mean you must replicate the same mistake for your kids.

    To be clear, above, I'm mostly arguing to be argumentative. I totally agree the risk is small for kids, and the benefits of the vaccine for kids are marginal, and waiting isn't a big deal. The risk is roughly comparable for kids getting the flu and the very small risk of complications, and the decision to get a flu shot.
     
  13. l_boy

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    Nice move. You just repeated what I said, and made it like it was your thought in the first place and then declared victory.
     
  14. gator95

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    So you admit there is no reason to vaccinate kids. Since you won’t answer that is what i take from it. Got it. Thanks for seeing the light. About time.
     
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  15. l_boy

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    Evil. Good God. But I guess I should expect it from somebody whose username starts with "Q". I mean seriously, all we want to do is to keep the kids healthy before we eat them. Is that so unreasonable?
     
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  16. gatordavisl

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  17. l_boy

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    You are pulling out all the stops tonight. Now you are quoting me saying the exact opposite of what I said. I guess it is to be expected given you can't construct an honest argument on debate facts and logic. I'm sorry this turned out so badly for you.
     
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  18. AzCatFan

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    The risks of the vaccine to kids is small. The benefits for the kids themselves, marginal. Benefits to the community at large? Big, especially since the vaccine cuts cases in children 90%. That's a lot of kids who won't spread the virus.

    The benefits as a whole far outweigh any risks. Which is why the vaccine is being recommended by the medical experts.
     
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  19. gator95

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    Yeah, turned out just like it turned out for me on keeping schools open, lockdowns and masks. I was right on all of those and I am right on this. I get it, It must suck being wrong on all those things. I’m sure you will be right about something at some point. Law of averages and all.
     
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  20. QGator2414

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    It absolutely flys. I completely understand most are vaccinated. I acknowledged as much with the elderly comment. It shows how weak the vaccine is at working. Just like before the vaccine…the majority of deaths were elderly. The only difference now is they are vaccinated. This disease attacks the elderly/obese/immune compromised. Vaccinated or Unvaccinated. Hence why so many vaccinated are using monoclonal as well.