Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

There has been no study that has found any evidence to suggest anywhere near the types of figures necessary to reach herd immunity without vaccines in any population that I have seen. Basically, you are making statements of fact without evidence and saying that you can't prove that wrong, but that is shifting the burden of proof off of you as the person making a claim, which is where it should be, to everybody questioning you, which is where it shouldn't be.

 

Completely false. Vaccine reduced infection something like 93%. You can't say "zero difference". You can't get serious covid if you aren't infected in the first place.

 

Well that is factually inaccurate. The state still controls actions in democracies. It just does it with the feedback of the population in determining that guidance. But the state, by its very nature, tells people how to behave.

 

I have heard some say in August Florida would reach herd immunity in September. Around that point the numbers started going down. Between vaccinations and natural immunity the numbers are getting high enough to where the covid numbers are going down quite a bit.

 

I think places with high levels of vaccination are certainly approaching herd immunity (in that their background infection rates are much lower- even during "spikes"). The issue is that he is trying to claim that it is primarily about the number of people who have gotten Covid, which is a smaller proportion of the immunity in any community that is even vaguely closing in on herd immunity in theory.

 

Do whatever you want. My parents are vaccinated. My kids are around them all the time. My oldest is vaxed. Chances are so tiny that my youngest two kids will give it to their vaccinated grandparents. I mean flu like risk at this point.

You can go ahead and try to eliminate 100% of risk. I certainly have no opinion of what you do for your own family. Nor should I. That's the point.

 

Pandemics are literally one of the reasons that government was created. Far before we worried about speed limits or who was and was not allowed to reside in certain spaces, we were worrying about needing a central authority by which to control the spread of infectious diseases. It is hard to find a more basic purpose of government (basically, it is on the level of protection against other people murdering you).

 

From what I've read based upon antibody testing approx 25% have been infected. It could be a little higher in some states. So take the vaccinated, plus some portion of the unvaccinated with natural immunity and we may be reaching a level of combined immunity such that disease spread starts to decelerate.

 

While vaccines certainly provide protection at all ages the odds of elderly getting infected, even if vaxed is significantly higher. The odds of an 80+ vaccinated person getting infected (or dying, I don't recall) are higher than an email unvaccinated 50 year old, or something like that.

 

Using kids for this is wrong and evil. We see how poorly the vaccine is working as a whole. We are not going to get herd immunity most likely as this thing is going to be endemic. Forcing a child's body to work for almost no benefit but potential harm is just not worth it while we continue to learn about this new disease. But I get some disagree. As long as the vaccine is a choice...I have no issues. Mandating it for adults or kids is wrong and evil if you ask me.

My kids just spent the weekend with my unvaccinated parents (had Covid 15 months ago and still giving blood for antibodies). Thanksgiving week we will spend the week together at our house in Palm Coast and they will spend a lot of time with their other grandparents who are vaccinated as well. No concern. Our kids will not be getting the vaccine. All grandparents are fully aware of the situation. Family will be spending time like we have through this whole thing. If someone is sick we will take appropriate precautions.

Really feel bad for those that the fauc has scared to the point that they miss family events and the want to see each other like they use to in the past. Completely unnecessary. And psychologically a major negative imo. But the fauc and his ilk have done a ton of damage. Being careful during this is one thing. But they have scared people beyond that point. It is evil imo. But we view this differently.

 

Almost 80% of the deaths in England were fully vaccinated last month (The last Public Health England technical report I read was 76% so this makes sense/I have not researched the report but heard this). And surely most were elderly. Vaccine and Boosters are just not what they were sold as. You get a potential therapeutic benefit. People should take the vaccine accordingly. Hopefully they can get a second generation vaccine that works better than these drugs. And we need to focus on obesity. Not only for Covid but for healthcare as a whole. That said...I will get the typical response and reactions. The data shows us this.

 

My parents are not in their 80's, but my kids come first.
I'll take the limited risk on the vaccine. I let my 17 year old make the call for herself and got vaxed with her.
But Idon't have to let my youngest two get it.

I know, some will be glad they can now say that I kill old people again.

 

Of course they were. Most have been vaccinated there correct?
If literally everyone wore a seatbelt, every car death would be in spite of the seat belt. Seat belts still save lives.
Sorry Q, this argument doesnt fly. The more people getting vaxed, the % will shift. But the number is way smaller than if no one got vaxed.

 

so when does the government/state morph into what happened in a certain european contry from 1933-1945, that state thought it knew what was best for the people.

 

I know I can't eliminate 100% of all risks. But with kid vaccination, the benefits far outweighs the risk, and reduces the risk for people like my parents. Even if it's small, all it cost was 30 minutes of my time at Walgreens, and an afternoon nap on a Sunday for my kid.

And it's not just the benefit to my parents that matters. It's my kid's teacher and classmates that get their risk lowered. And it also lowers the risk to their parents and grandparents. If enough people got vaccinated, in fact, the risk would decrease first to endemic levels, and then, potentially, down to almost zero. Kids are part of the herd, and herd immunity is still the ultimate goal.

It's the same argument we've had before. Only about 1 in 80 impaired drivers get caught, either by the cops, or worse, by causing an accident. Odds are low that if you drink and drive, you'll be fine and won't get caught. But if you do, the damages could be devastating. So with designated drivers plus cabs/Uber/Lyft, why even take the risk at all?

 

Sure, you point me to where vaccine reduced infection 93% in children from the TRIAL. Good luck with that.

 

Yeah, what is the difference between a government trying to save its citizens in the face of a pandemic and a government actively trying to kill both its citizens and citizens of other countries? Tough to say...

 

the issue is control over its citizens, what they can and cannot do and wear indoors, having to get vaccines or loss your job, being taught stuff like CRT in our schools.

 

COVID-19 vaccine for children ages 5-11 receives final approval | AAP News | American Academy of Pediatrics

90.7%, not 93%. So sue me.

Clinical trials in children ages 5-11 years found the vaccine to be 90.7% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID-19.

 

Yeah, the government also forces me to wear pants at the grocery store. Its like Nazi Germany in here...