Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

And Trump, and all those who refuse to wear masks and get vaccinated. Virus mutation is unavoidable, selfish uninformed choices and decisions are not
The fact that the US has the highest death rate per 100k of industrialized countries is not China's fault

 

The individual infection rate for a vaccinated person is 1/6 as high as it is for a vaccinated person. That is a fact. One that you will continue to avoid because it doesn't help your point.

You think that repeating a generalized but poor point over and over makes it stronger. It doesn't. It just means you said a poor point more often.

And what is your point of doing this over and over? To get people to not take a vaccine that can lower rates by 5/6 to justify your own decision making or promote your political ideals?

 

The CDC has said reinfections are more common than breakthrough cases. Tell me how something that happens more often is "rare" than something that happens less often, which you call "common?"

 

I have linked what the cdc says.

If rare is more often than expected…then you all really need to stop listening to the cdc. Well…

 

How many healthy kids died of covid???? Anyone wanting to honestly answer the question needs that data. Plus we had at minimum 35% of pediatric covid deaths that have zero to do with covid according to the cdc themselves. So now lets see how many healthy kids died of covid. I have 2 kids and know zero kids hospitalized with covid in 20+ months but they know 5 kids who have been to the doctor for the flu in the past week. Healthy kids don’t get sick from covid luckily.

 

I did provide the link.

 

I see you won’t admit you are wrong. Shocking. What a joke.

 

So basically, you are arguing in such bad faith that you are both using the CDC as an appeal to authority and telling people not to listen to the CDC at the same time. Seems about right. Classic gaslighting.

 

Here's what the CDC says. The unvaccinated are 6.1X likely to test positive for COVID. That makes the vaccine about 83.5% effective at stopping the virus.

While some may think that's not what we were "sold," remember, the Pfizer was supposedly 95% effective, Moderna around 90%, and J&J closer to 70%. And this was all against the wild type, not Delta. I'd say a cumulative 84% isn't far off at all.

More facts about the vaccine. Vaccinated people with breakthrough cases may have high viral load as unvaccinated at the start, but overall, vaccinated people recover quicker and have overall lower viral loads over time.

The vaccine prevents over 83% of people from getting COVID. And those with a breakthrough case recover quicker and have overall smaller viral loads, meaning the vaccinated are less likely to spread COVID.

These are the facts.

 

Since the flu is rearing it’s head again since covid is dormant at this time in FL, I thought it appropriate to post this again for everyone to see what is the real danger for kids. It sure isn’t covid.

 

No.

I am showing you that the authority you appeal to says the opposite of what you believe.

The cdc is clearly pushing a narrative. They know reinfection is extremely rare. But in order to keep with the mandate they cannot make it easy to see. This is how propaganda works. And it is working…

 

I didn't appeal to authority. You did. More gaslighting. They have estimated reinfection rates and breakthrough rates in published research (and that research says the opposite of what you are claiming). You won't link to that because you would rather gaslight everybody...for some reason. So that we can get more deaths? Avoid admitting that you were wrong because you don't care that people have died and only that you can convince yourself that you weren't wrong?

 

What was I wrong about this time?

 

Ok I saw it. 5% of kids had fever between 102 and 104. That doesn’t necessarily mean anybody had 104. If they have a significant fever give them an ibuprofen or Tylenol.

 

Curious question.....as the flu is a respiratory infection, whatis the impact of comorbidities in kids infected with the flu? How many die of the flu vs die with the flu?

 

I have posted the hard data. Believe what you wish. The data shows reinfections are extremely rare. Breakthroughs are quite common.

 

then they should get a flu shot too. However I think Covid is more likely to have lasting side effects.

So yes Covid deaths are statistically rare. By why risk that or hospitalization or long term side effects when there is a safe vaccine available?

 

Obviously not directed at me but generally most flu deaths actually come from pneumonia complications. I know that is true with older adults. I assume it is true with kids also but I don’t know that to be a fact.

 

No, you really haven't. Because if you had linked the data from the CDC studies, it shows that reinfections are more common per person than breakthroughs. To be fair, there is at least one study showing the opposite and neither have been peer reviewed or replicated at any scale. But your claim is false, unsurprisingly.

What you are relying on is raw figures, where you try to fool people (including yourself perhaps) by ignoring the fact that vaccinations are far more common than previous infections and then saying "there are more breakthroughs than re-infections." That is of course nonsense as an analysis if your goal is to identify, at an individual level, which event is more common, since both vaccination and previous infections are dichotomous variables.

 

Try to keep up.