Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Data showing nearly 3 in 4 children already have had Covid in the UK. I would imagine we are not far behind. More reason to not vaccinate kids.

Covid cases in children fall as ‘most have already had the virus’

 

um that is now how that works lol wow.. you are way off.

Its against just 100k pop. Nothing to do with 100k vax or 100k not vaxxed.

I am not sure why this is hard for some people to understand.

By going straight against 100k pop, it eliminates the difference between the two.

The chart shows infection rates and are not absolute numbers. It is showing that currently in the older groups, vaccinated are getting infected at a higher rate than unvaccinated.
The trend in the younger groups is heading that way as well.

Right now the best guess is those who remain unvaccinated likely have already had covid which offers a higher level of protection than the vaccines. As the vaccinated are more likely to go out and about now with that protection coupling that with the fact that by months 5-6 your protection against infection is below 50%, this will continue to happen until enough of the vaccinated catch covid.

 

Booster up my friend.

 

Oh yes I agree that its still the best option for older age groups or those with other medical issues that could make covid dangerous. If you already beat covid, it is silly to get the vax but to each their own. I don't care what people do with their own bodies. My parents both are in that high-risk category and were happy they got their shots earlier this year. My mom just got her booster and dad to follow.

The point I was making is that unfortunately, the vaccine is very leaky and only gets worse as time goes on. It dramatically increases the chance of a vaccine-resistant variant. By FDA prior standards, this vaccine would normally not get approval. We are in a lot of trouble if the spike protein changes, especially for the vaxxed.

 

This push to put this drug into healthy kids is mind boggling. These kids are at almost no risk.

And the guidance will be to give big for his age 110 pound 11 year old Johnny 1/3 the dose but small for his age 75 pound 12 year old Jimmy a full dose. Or just giving an 11 year old 1/3 the dose as a 12 year old.

I guess we always can back it up with boosters…

 

Just because you weren't listening, doesn't mean there were those out there telling the truth. Like the Director of the WHO literally saying, "The vaccine is not a silver bullet." This was Jan 2021.

Or how in March, scientists knew we were in a race between vaccine and variants. And that if we didn't all get vaccinated quickly, we'd be fighting an uphill battle. They were right, of course, especially with the significant portion of our population outright refusing to get jabbed.

Last, the COVID vaccine really isn't a new drug. It's the latest technology upgrade on an old science. Before, scientists isolated a strain of the virus that was attenuated. An attenuated virus is basically neutered. It's the virus, but it's ability to make you sick has been stripped away. Inject an attenuated virus into the body, and it provokes an immune response, and you get protection from the full virus.

The mRNA vaccine works exactly the same way. The difference is instead of an attenuated virus, you get an even paired down version, and only get the mRNA strand from the virus that provokes an immune response. The new vaccine is like a large, flat screen TV versus older models. Better quality picture, but still the same old TV shows.

 

Let's say you have 100 individuals; 90% are vaccinated, 10% are not.

If 10 individuals test positive (6 are vaccinated, and 4 are unvaccinated) you end up with the following numbers:

6% of the 100 that tested positive are vaccinated
4% of the 100 that tested positive are unvaccinated

This shows favorably towards the unvaccinated on the surface, but if you look at it more closely, you get the following numbers from the same data:

6 out of 90 that are vaccinated tested positive (6.7%)
4 out of 10 that are unvaccinated tested positive (40%)

The data vs. the population, doesn't tell you as much of the story as the data using the breakdown of the data measured against the vaccinated vs. the data measured against the unvaccinated.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

mrna as you know has been around for three decades. In that time we had three drugs approved for much smaller things. Only two still being used as they found a better way to treat what one was for.

Now we are running the largest uncontrolled trial in history. Let’s hope the long term data proves this to have been worth it. Especially considering how many are not at high risk.

With how fast these things wane and how leaky they are…I hope it works out. But I think going forward the vaccines that will end up being the best drugs for Covid will be ones that focus on T cell response and not antibody. And then there is always the hope that the variants slow and we don’t have these surges.

 

No, what they should have done if you wanted a direct comparison, was do the rate out of 100k vaxxed and the rate out of 100k unvaxxed. That would have done what you are claiming this did. If you just do out of 100k in population for both, in which that population has a mixture of vaxxed and unvaxxed, you haven't eliminated the issue of the proportionality of the population who is vaxxed.

3 people have now tried to explain the math to you. You need to listen.

 

Ok my bad I had to do some digging. I found the actual report and the person who compiled the graph. It appears the rates are among the distinct population groups, vaccinated and unvaccinated.



So what I was saying is wrong. My apologies.

It doesn't change my concerns or the fact that the infection rates are rising at an alarming rate among the vaccinated.

 

Nothing in there says that it is 100k per cohort. It is more likely, given the language for the variables, that it actually is what you said it was, out of 100k population, which makes the chart misleading in a highly vaccinated population.

 

mRNA has been around since the dawn of life. The research on just using mRNA for a vaccine is 30 years old, and was/is being developed to fight cancer. Fortunately, with COVID, it happened that the mRNA vaccines were available to use. We just needed to isolate the correct mRNA strand. Which only took a couple of weeks.

The COVID vaccine is no more leaky than any other vaccine. The polio vaccine had an estimated 85% efficacy rate. The difference was, the anti-vaxx movement was much smaller, the polio isn't as contagious as COVID. So more people got vaccinated, and the herd immunity percentage was smaller. End result, herd immunity, and the eventual eradication of polio.

The most effective vaccine is likely for measles at an estimated 97% efficacy rate. But measles is as contagious, if not more than COVID. We need 90% vaccinated to reach herd immunity. Drop below that level because of anti-vaxxers, and guess what. You get an outbreak, just like California in 2014, or Washington State in 2019.

Vaccines requiring multiple boosters is also nothing new. Most states require at least 4 total DTap shots to be considered fully vaccinated. Most other vaccines require at least two, with some needing 3 or more. With COVID being novel, we really don't know how many boosters will be required, what the true herd immunity level is, or if, in the future, we may be dealing with yet another variant that is even more contagious than delta, or worse, more deadly and vaccine resistant.

I do agree with you about one thing. Too many people are vaccine knowledge deficient. But I would add, you seem to be exhibit A.

 

https://assets.publishing.service.g...29606/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-43.pdf

 

further more:



With that, I don't agree with comparing the unvaxxed vs vaxxed. I just wanted to show that the vaccines are not as good as we hoped at stopping the spread and that vaccine passports are useless. Vaccine mandates should not be a thing.

 

From that Vaccination Status section of that report:

That is saying that they are not dividing the rate by cohort, because that issue wouldn't exist if they were.

 

it certainly wasn’t. We were told all along we would need booster shots. And logical people realize seatbelts don’t guarantee safety. But still wear them.

Yes it’s inconvenient to get a booster = but that certainly doesn’t mean they don’t work. Bu5 don’t worry, us good Americans got our shots and did the heavy lifting (again) for the slackers, and conspiracy kooks in our country and the covid rates are dropping.

 

to compare against vax and unvaxxed that is correct.
It does not change the rate of infection amongst the vaccinated group.

 

Which is lower than amongst the unvaccinated group. I did the math a while ago when somebody else tried to use this data. It was about a 70% reduction for being vaccinated, which, as the report stated, is likely an underestimation of the effectiveness of vaccines due to a variety of issues. That number is not shocking given the mixture of vaccines in England, where they primarily used Pfizer (high 80%s in effectiveness, but waning over time) and Astra Zeneca (high 60%s in effectiveness).

 

Not only do these mRNA vaccines wane incredibly fast. They are leaky. Unlike the vaccines you and others keep bringing up.

Booster up if you want.

But these mRNA vaccines are way leaky. And that should concern everyone. Vaccinated and Unvaccinated.

 

Yeah…all those who worked the front lines and have natural immunity now. Maybe they had sufficient T cell immunity from past Coronavirus exposure all along. They did not do the heavy lifting.

You keep thinking that about your proud self.