Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

This is a good example of different risk tolerances. Our kids see both grandparents. No masks. If anyone is sick we obviously avoid contact. None of my kids are vaccinated. Don’t plan to based on the current data and the risk to them. My wife’s parents are vaccinated. My parents are not vaccinated. Though they each had Covid 15 months ago and still are giving blood for antibodies. My dad was going to get the vaccine for travel purposes but the red flags of mandates and the vaccines clearly not working the way they were sold has him a hard no now. Mom is basically the same though not sure she had the want to get it for travel like my dad. I have more concern about my wife’s parents getting Covid than mine if that happens in the future.

 

Literally no one would let their kids swim if we wanted to be totally safe. And drowning isn't even on the same page as covid for kids. One actually kills kids the other kills a handful of healthy kids in almost 2 years. People are nuts. Just remember that.

 

This brand new technology has 30 years of research behind it. And at the time of other vaccine mandates, like polio and smallpox, we had no long term data then either. Thankfully, generations before this one didn't have Facebook "Doctors" or expert Google "Researchers" and trusted the vaccine would be safe. And you know what? It was, and we eliminated those diseases.

The flu vaccine isn't mandated because it's a best guess vaccine based on what strains scientists think will be most prevalent. The flu is actually caused by 4 different viruses, each with multiple variants. We never know which one will be the biggest each year, and can only take educated guesses.

If we let COVID go untreated and don't vaccinate, it has the chance to become similar to the flu. Multiple variants, some of which current vaccines may have no effect at all. But if we vaccinate enough of the population quickly enough, we can take COVID down to an endemic level rather quickly, and maybe even eliminate it altogether. Polio has three major variants, and when was the last polio outbreak in the US?

 

7 day new case average down almost 100,000 since september 2nd, why no fauci declaration of how good we are doing. oh yeah, he is waiting for the slighest uptick to crawl out of his hole a tell us what we can and cannot do, especially for the holidays

 

Eliminating drowning deaths requires some precautions and rules that my family follows. Nobody is allowed to swim completely alone. Kids can swim with each other, as long as an adult is present and knows there are kids in the pool. No kid in my house who does not know how to swim is allowed out back near the pool alone. When said kids are over, doors to the backyard are closed and locked, and an adult must be present whenever a kid may be near the pool. Pool parties always require an adult to play lifeguard.

Take these precautions and the risk of swimming, or even being around the pool are significantly reduced. The risks, when looking at number of child drownings are small to begin with. But the lower the risk is better, and nobody wants to be the parent of a kid who drowned needlessly, or be the owner of a pool where a kid drowned needlessly. So take all precautions. Kind of like, I don't know, taking a vaccine to reduce risk not only to yourself, but for all around you!

 

Covid is going to be endemic almost certainly. There was never any stopping it. Delta was already around before the vaccines. And we see the vaccines are not good at slowing the spread. England is just peaking on another massive spike. And they are well vaccinated. Florida now has the lowest case rate and I would say we are not well vaccinated. I was worried we were going to pull a England as England never dropped all the way from the summer surge (maybe delta plus will get us eventually as well/but as England shows…it won’t slow the spread). We have some of the highest vaccinated states having the worst spread they saw of Covid after the vaccines. Do the vaccines work as helpful therapeutic. I think so. At what long term cost. Three decades of mRNA technology had led to three total drug approvals. Three (four if you count this Pfizer vaccine)! So we don’t have good long term data to be pumping this into healthy people just because. I think high risk groups should consider it with the consultation of their doctor. But we now have lost control of the ability to do this the right way. Now it is booster up with whatever brand of vaccine you wish. This roll out has been an abject disaster. And sadly there is now a loss of trust. Rightfully so.

 

Drowning is the 2nd leading cause of death for kids 1-14. Covid, not in the same ballpark. Comparing taking an experimental vaccine to making sure a kid can swim is quite the reach. Plenty of kids who can swim drown each year. The vaxxing of kids is almost as bad as ignoring natural immunity. It's grossly negligent and flat out nuts unless your kid has underlying conditions.

 

Agree. But the government doesn't mandate swimming lessons for everybody.

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Making stuff up is certainly very easy for you. Vaccines have prevented untold numbers of deaths and hospitalizations. Add it all up and $20 per vaccine is a huge bargain compared to hospitalization and/or monoclonal treatments.

 

If breast cancer or colon cancer were contagious, that would make more sense. But they aren't.

 

Drowning isn't a contagious disease like COVID. There is no such thing as herd immunity to prevent drownings.

 

so trying to save those lives is not as important as vaccines?got to figure pfizer, moderna and johnson and johnson love the idea of more and more vaccines needed, 2, 3, who knows how many booster shots to boost the bottom line.

 

There is a difference between importance and the role of government. Government is supposed to stop you from harming others, at its base. At an individual level, yes, getting your screenings is important. But you aren't increasing the risk for other people by not doing it. Not taking a vaccine increases the risk of other people getting a contagious disease.

 

This. Your right to do something stops when it effects another. Or in other words, your right to swing your fist stops at my face. You could be in a room full of cancer patients, and your risk of getting cancer remains unchanged. You cannot say the same about being in a room full of COVID patients. Do that, and your risk increases exponentially.

 

We are not treating COVID like other diseases though. We are not recognizing that those who have had COVID don't need to get the vaccine the way we have done with other diseases. We are not keeping in mind the severity of the disease with respect to all those who are asked to get vaccinated. We are not even collecting as much relevant data as we can to better determine who actually needs to get vaccinated.

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Big Tobacco disagrees with this sentence.

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so government should outlaw smoking, how many get cancer from second hand smoke. outlaw drinking to avoid thousands of drunk driving deaths. outlaw guns to avoid thousands of deaths.you cannot, imo, pick and choose the disease of the day to mandate against.

 

We are treating COVID like we do other diseases with a vaccine. Vaccine immunity is more trackable and consistent than natural immunity. How many COVID cases out there that may be second infections, when the first one was so mild that the infection went unreported? We simply don't know, and can't know. In contrast, every jab is recorded with a date/time stamp and the vaccine used.

Vaccination is the only way to be sure, and the only way we ensure accurate data.

And @buckeyegator, the government has enacted laws to stop people from smoking in public places, enacted laws against drunk driving, etc. You have the 2nd Amendment right to use a gun, but try discharging it in the public place and see if you get arrested or not. You will. And then try telling the judge you were just exercising your rights, and see if you get the charges expunged. You won't.

Same thing if you try smoking in public places and refuse to put it out. Or if you get caught driving drunk...

 

I feel terrible for the kids who will be forced by their parents to get the vaccine even though it's not fully FDA authorized. Can't fix ignorant people.