Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

People unwilling to take an "expirimetal" vaccine all too happy to take an expirimental treatment that cost 35 - 50x as much. Anybody getting treated ask about long term effects? Didn't think so

 

But at least when they are taking the expirimental treatment, they are sticking it to big pharma.

 

It's so bizarre. Had a coworker stop a conversation this morning because I made a passing comment about ivermectin. He's an emt who doesn't care about medical( typically EMTs don't care about medical as the paramedic is who runs the medical calls) vehemently defend ivermectin and cite how many times it has been prescribed around the world. All discussion ended and he refused to consider anything other than I had turned to the liberal left....

Sad really because we used to be good friends and while we aren't enemies now we have become more acquaintances than anything else.

 

Here's a great op-ed on why children should be vaccinated. About 8,600 kids between 5 and 12 have ended up in the hospital from COVID, and 143 deaths attributed to the virus. If you can count that high on one hand, how many fingers do you have? Are you some kind of mutant?

Anyway, from the article:

Importantly, the study found no cases of myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle. This does not mean that myocarditis won’t surface among a much larger group of children. As the FDA advisers reviewed in extensive detail, myocarditis is a known adverse reaction associated with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, and is most prevalent in young males under 30. Myocarditis cases associated with the vaccines tend to be mild and resolve on their own, with the majority having no long-term effects. Medical groups have resoundingly noted that the benefit of the vaccine far outweighs the risk of myocarditis in adolescents.

Extending inoculations to the younger age group has the added benefit of helping the community. Kids can and do transmit covid-19 in school and home settings, and getting millions of children vaccinated can help reduce the coronavirus’s overall burden. But the main reason to authorize vaccines for young kids is not an altruistic one of safeguarding other vulnerable people; it’s to protect the kids themselves. It’s to give parents peace of mind to return to the office and travel without the constant worry of bringing the coronavirus back to their kids. And it is to reduce missed school days, as current protocols from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention state that vaccinated people do not need to quarantine if exposed to covid-19.
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And one more thing. All drug and vaccine trials go in phases. There are always at least 3 phases, and occasionally, a 4th, depending on need. Regardless, phase 1 is smallest, phase 2 is a little larger, and phase 3 is generally the largest trial phase. And as the FDA says, phase 3 trials are usually conducted on between 1,000 and 3,000 participants. And if a drug or vaccine passes phase 3, it goes to market.

So those complaining about a trial of only 2,300 are ill-informed. Every single new drug on the market had a phase 3 trial of less than 3,000. And unless you are going to complain about every new drug and vaccine not having enough phase 3 trials, you are being inconsistent. And if you are worried about the "small" phase 3 trial, it's not small at all, if you actually read and do you research.

 

I'll just leave this here for the rational people to digest. I hope people don't rush to inject something we have no idea will do long term harm to children. All i know is my kids won't have to worry about it. And I predict a majority of the country will agree with me. People not thinking clearly are the only ones who are vaccinating healthy children.

 

95, your post makes me wonder where COVID ranks on the severity scale for children in comparison to other diseases that have a vaccine mandate.

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Deaths from COVID are incredibly rare in children. Deaths from the vaccine, so far, are zero. And the benefits from the vaccine mean death from COVID is zero. Isn't zero > incredibly rare?

Then there are the community benefits from vaccination. Children are part of the herd and transmit COVID to adults.

Last, we have no idea the long-term effects of catching COVID. Some diseases, like chickenpox, can lie dormant for decades before a person suffers from shingles. It's possible that something similar may happen with COVID. We just don't know because time hasn't passed. And if you are worried about long term effects, what is more likely to make them happen? A full virus infection, or a vaccine that just contains a small strain of the virus' mRNA?

 

and just so we're clear. Anyone thinking myocarditis didn't increase after the vaccine rollout happened is flat out lying.

 

Well below the flu that is for sure. Probably around a factor of 2-3 or so. Covid luckily is not dangerous to children. We know that. What we don't know is what the vaccine does to kids long term.

 

Gain of function would not show up in examination of the genetic code.

 

I have no problem with parents wanting to take this approach with their children. It will keep them from playing sports, riding bicycles, walking around without helmets on, etc. I just don't want to see folks attempt to mandate this mentality for other parents.

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Nah. Math is not that hard and making stuff up is easy. Hence you saying vaccines have been cheaper than the monoclonal treatments that both the vaccinated and unvaccinated are using.

 

The administration cost makes the vaccines that much more expensive. Yes monoclonal is more in depth. But administering 1 million treatments (over a million now I am sure but as of Sept 19 I believe it was the number was 983000 monoclonal treatments of both the vaccinated and unvaccinated) is far cheaper than administering 200 million times 2 vaccine shots.

Again…this is not an argument to say people should not take these new drugs. Take the vaccine. Don’t take it.

We now have way more supply of monoclonal treatments ready to go than needed. That is a good thing. Fully vaccinated good family friends just got the treatment. And that is good.

 

"”I do think it's a relatively close call," said adviser Dr. Eric Rubin of Harvard University. "It's really going to be a question of what the prevailing conditions are but we're never going to learn about how safe this vaccine is unless we start giving it."”

We have people playing with fire that should not be allowed to play with fire.

if a parent wants to inject their child into this uncontrolled trial and hope there is no long term issues with these new drugs. That is their choice.

My kids are not going to be a part of this trial to see if it is safe when this disease of almost no risk to them.

To have a Doctor vote yes and say that knowing the data on show this disease affects young kids…is mind blowing.

 

The genetics of Sars-Cov-2 doesn't match the genetics of the organisms/viruses the scientists were experimenting on when the Gain of Function happened. All viruses and organisms that are being experimented on have a complete genome map so if there is a lab leak, it can be traced back to the original strain of virus or organism.

Time and time again, not only has Fauci said it is genetically impossible for any of the viruses being worked on in the lab mutating into Sars-Cov-2, but many other top scientists have repeated the claim. Genetics doesn't lie.

 

Do you really know how safe, long term, having a child contracting COVID is? Someone who gets chicken pox at a young age could be fine, but decades later, could contract shingles, and really die from it. Is it not possible that COVID could have a similar, secondary disease somewhere down the line? We just don't know.

Now ask yourself, what is more likely to have a long term effects? A full on infection of COVID? Or just injecting a small sample of mRNA of COVID that elicits an immune response? Think about it. If the genetic code from COVID that's in the vaccine causes long term effects, then it's highly likely that infection from the same virus, with the same code, will also cause the same effects. And what if the long term effect from COVID isn't in the mRNA strand that triggers the immune response, but in some other area of the COVID genetic code that isn't included in the vaccine?

The long term effects argument is illogical. It is more likely that any long term effects from contracting COVID will occur more so than any potential long term effects from the vaccine.

Thankfully, there weren't too many people who had similar thoughts when we were mandating and giving out polio shots, smallpox shots, and MMR shots. One of the Ms in MMR is measles, which we had almost eradicated in the US, until the anti-vaxx, conspiracy nuts started to spout their nonsense, and areas of California and Washington fell under herd immunity levels for measles, which is about 90% vaccination rate. Guess what happened in these states? A measles outbreak!

Things like measles and chicken pox aren't too deadly to kids either. But the vaccination > disease. Same goes for COVID.

 

Serious question. Have you really kept your kids away from their grandparents because of Covid? I would have to assume that their grandparents are vaccinated. I get that there may be circumstances where one would want to avoid contact. But it is really hard to think of many situations where that is the case.

This probably comes off wrong on a message board. But it really infuriates me that the government has created a mindset in people that they are afraid to see their family. I know some will disagree with this but I also think it is wrong and evil to not allow loved ones to be with their family when they are in the hospital. The long term mental and psychological damage is going to be palpable.

Hope your kiddos can see there grandparents soon. It is important.

 

Yep, eye opening to say the least.

 

We have limited contact with the grandparents, and had the children wear masks indoors when seeing them when unvaccinated. My teen is now fully vaccinated, and we will vaccinate the younger one as soon as possible. Most meetings with the grandparents have been over Zoom, and let me tell you, trying to get grandparents on Zoom was a challenge. We've also met a few times, weather permitting, outdoors.

The grandparents are fully vaccinated, but at 80, a vaccinated breakthrough case has similar results as someone unvaccinated at 50. The grandparents are both relatively healthy for their respective ages, but at their age, there are always underlying conditions. And very few, if any 78 and 80 year olds are perfectly healthy. It's just the nature of getting older.

The "fear" you say is one of my kids feeling guilty if they were the one who infected their grandparent, and caused them to get sick and die. Both my kids have expressed this exact fear, and we've done what we can to allay that fear. It's why the teen was first to sign up to get the jab when eligible, and the younger one feels the same way. The vaccine is by far, the best defense we have against this virus. The numbers don't lie. With Pfizer, 66% chance you won't catch the virus at all, and those unvaxxed have a 11X chance of ending up in the hospital if infected.

 

Putting a brand new technology that has no long term data into a healthy child who is at more risk to the flu is insane if you ask me. We don’t mandate the flu shot and that has long term safety data and the flu is more dangerous to kids than Covid.

To each their own. Everyone has different risk tolerances.