Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

The death data is there. If the death data showed all the unvaccinated dying and that they were young and healthy with no health issues...that would be a game changer.

But the reality is that this disease attacks elderly and those with serious health issues. Especially obesity and diabetes. From there people should be able to make the decision for themselves on what is the best way to fight through this disease. I understand one has been lazy and allowed themselves to get into an unhealthy state wanting to take one of these drugs potentially. I also understand the person who has decided to commit to healthy habits and is in good health not wanting to take a new drug for a disease that is not that dangerous to them.

 

We will see how well everyone is doing after the northeast gets hammered from Delta. I'll be sure to check back in Dec/Jan on this

FL has a huge reason. One of the oldest and largest percentage of elderly in the US. But I know, facts don't matter to some...

 

You and your ilk can feel free to roll that dice for yourself. It's stupid since the vaccine is safe and free.

Also, no one knows yet about the long term effects for those who have had it. Another chance not worth taking.

 

I took your statement about providing little benefit as a standalone statement. Since you were speaking about vaccine + natural immunity I take it back (although I would add that the vaccine is likely to provide significant benefit when the previous infection was 15 months ago).

 

Actually the vaccine is not free (in fact it is costing far more than the "free" as you like to put it monoclonal antibodies that both the vaccinated and unvaccinated are using/about a month ago in Florida over half were vaccinated). I agree it is safe overall based on short term data. But we have no long term data. Therefore that is speculation and part of the risk benefit one should consider.

With regards to the long term effects for those who have had it. Sure. And there are a lot of people who now have to be concerned not only about the long term effects of the vaccine. But also the long term effects of Covid as these vaccines were terrible at slowing the spread. In fact they are likely one of the main reasons delta spread so much with how the vaccine was sold to the public. There were a lot of vaccinated people out in public thinking they had allergies or a cold when in fact they were Covid positive.

To think you have the smoking gun answer for how to navigate this virus is arrogance that leads to the evil we see with what biden has done in the mandate. This virus is terrible. There is no one right answer. Each person is different. Each person has different health issues. Each person has different mental issues with how they deal with life. Let people use the data to make decisions for themselves.

 

The vaccine “costs” more than the monoclonal antibodies? My goodness, you have gone completely around the bend.

 

We were talking cases. Old people don't have any higher chance of catching covid than young people do. You tend to move your goal posts between cases and deaths, depending on which you think helps your argument at a given time. But it doesn't matter, Florida has done terrible on both.

Do check back in Dec/Jan. If blue states have caught up to red states in cases by then I will freely acknowledge it. That's the difference between me and you. I acknowledge the facts whatever they are. You don't. You never did man up and acknowledge that you were wrong when you tried to claim that covid-19 wasn't a disease.

 

Sure infections increased with Delta, but hospitalizations did not spike to the same level. The vaccine consistently reduced the rate of hospitalization between 80-90%. Without the vaccine Delta would have been a disaster.

The vaccine isn't perfect but it is damn good. If near everybody had it hospitalization and infection would go down a lot.

 

There are a lot of conservative covid 19 hesitant who have never had an issue with vaccines, have no issues with most medicines, and don't really eat better than average. The covid 19 hesistancy is an outlier in that respect.

 

You are creating a requirement for selfishness that excludes the act itself by unnecessarily attaching intent. But it doesn't take deliberation or intent to act in ways that disregard others in seeking to fulfill needs. And ignorance and/or fear or confusion doesn't negate that acts themselves (or in this case non-acts) can be selfish. These reasons might explain why a person acts selfishly, however

 

No one cares about cases. Too many false negatives or case positives. Only 2 metrics should be considered; hospitalizations and deaths. You keep making up shit sport. You still want lockdowns, school closures and mask everyone. The trifecta of Covid mania. Luckily I live in FL where life is 99% normal. You keep masking at home. Can’t be too safe.

 

the best way is to get the vax. Nutty anti-vaxers are what kept this going and a drag on society.

 

You can’t be helped if you can’t read simple data… clearly it’s not 80-90% for those 60 plus. You know the group that it needs to be the best for but it’s not.

the vaccine is far from perfect and worse because it’s so leaky, the chance of another variant worse than delta is much higher.

 

How do? At this point if someone doesn’t want the vax, that’s on them. They are the ones risking potential hospitalization.
Keep in mind many who have not received the vaccine are those who have already recovered from Covid. So they don’t need the vaccine since there is now a lot of data showing natural immunity is the same if not better and longer lasting than the vaccine.

 

A vaccine that is 100% effective should, theoretically, not be mandated if the remaining externalities of the decision to vaccinate can be internalized (i.e., you have to pay for hospital expenses, you come in last in competitions for hospital beds, etc.).

A vaccine that is of very low effectiveness (i.e., let's say 30%) should not be mandated because even taking the vaccine for the entirety of the population is of limited effect and the pandemic will likely continue regardless of mandate.

A vaccine that is about 70% effective is around peak for making an argument for mandates due to the need for widespread vaccination to reach herd immunity and accomplish public health goals (which is, it should be noted, one of the core purposes of government dating to the formation of sedentary civilizations).

I think anti-mandate arguments are going to start to resemble the arguments over NPIs early in the pandemic. People will argue that the vaccine is too ineffective and then other people will argue that they are too effective to mandate them (in the same way that people argued that stay at home orders weren't needed because the disease wasn't so bad, but also that we shouldn't try them because it was so bad that they wouldn't work anyway).

 

Nonsense. Boosters are to refresh the batteries on the tracking devices

 

Sigh.

 

Except the link you replied to was about cases. Now, as expected, you want to pivot to deaths. You made a big deal about how they cut off the study at the end of October, so let's look at deaths since Oct 31 2020. Since 10/31/2020:

Florida: 1828 Covid deaths per million
Texas: 1736 Covid deaths per million
California: 1343 Covid deaths per million
New York: 1168 Covid deaths per million

These are sizable differences. The 2 red states have done far worse than the 2 blue states. If New York had Texas's covid death rate over the last year there would have been an additional 11,000 dead New Yorkers. If California had Texas's rate, there'd be an additional 15,500 dead Californians. And no, it's not all because of all the old people in Texas. Texas is the third youngest state by median age.

 

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And the "evil" mandate... someone is drinking deep from the Gateway Pundit well of ignorance these days.