Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Maybe look at the data. Considering Blacks vote Dem around 90% of the time, don't think you get to count them as Republican only when it suits you.

Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity

 

One is Emergency use. There is no emergency for children. I get you don't like it but it is a very valid reason.

 

Tens of millions of kids will die from covid in 10 years without mandatory vaccines?...And you wonder why we drink.

 

As to whether liberals or conservatives are now more likely to be opposed to vaccination, some researchers have suggested that, while anti-vaccination beliefs have spread to libertarians on the right, the anti-vaccination movement originates and finds its strongest support in the political left. A later article by the same researchers similarly argues that Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) evidence shows that states that voted for Obama in 2012 have higher rates of nonmedical vaccination exemptions.
Anti-vaccination beliefs don't follow the usual political polarization

In 2015, the Pew Research Center conducted a survey of 2 thousand adults which concluded about 12 percent of liberals and 10 percent of conservatives believed that childhood vaccines are unsafe.
Which Political Party Is Most Anti-Vaccine?

 

No, I was speaking of general vaccine hesitancy, not kids. Sorry for the confusion. By quickly approving the vaccines for general use, tens of millions of lives will have been saved compared to a normal drug approval time line.

 

Wait, why are you showing links from well before covid existed. We are talking about covid vaccine hesitancy, right?

 

No. I said GENERAL hesitancy toward vaccines. I told iBoy that it is not generally just republicans with such concerns.
I then pointed out that it is a pretty balanced mix of those against vax mandates for kids in this case too.

I think the truth is, folks on both side tend to be more willing to poke their own arm and NOT their kids arm.

The data shows that is pretty much an even split as has general vaccine hesitancy for kids for much longer than that.

Sorry if I was not clear. I know a lot of different points are intersecting.

 

Yeah, maybe look at the data. This poll shows:

Democrats 88% vaccinated
Republicans 55% vaccinated

NBC News poll shows demographic breakdown of the vaccinated in the U.S.

Two things can be true at the same time. Republicans and Blacks can both be less likely to be vaccinated. Overall, Democrats are well more likely to be vaccinated than Republicans.

 

My mom's friend drives a bus for our local school system. She got COVID and died a few days ago. Unvaxxed.

 

In general, I agree, there's not a lot of difference. For the covid vaccine specifically though, there is a big difference. Repubs are much less likely to have received a covid vax than Dems are.

 

That's horrible.

 

My Mom is pretty broken up about it. I feel terrible for my Mom, and the family of the deceased. She was in her 50s.

 

Agree. The numbers for those supporting a mandate for kids however seems to follow the traditional numbers more closely.

 

That seems to me be the method. Make an argument over and over, declare victory.

The DMS was a great and seemingly earnest effort. Unfortunately, it quickly became a way to lie with stats among a certain segment. Not suggesting it's intentional lying--although for some it is--but seems to me a misconception and misapplication of the study itself. It's hard to penetrate those committed to pushing ideas that gloss over or ignore limitations of studies, even good ones.

We've seen this many times before. W/covid, the Stanford "Santa Clara" study from April of last year saw a similar distortion--but it was a preprint that got dissected before even making it to publication.

 

Polls mean zero. Let's look at the actual data. If you haven't figured this out yet, people lie. Those numbers are ridiculous. Stick with the actual DATA that I posted. Maybe that's the issue for some here. Same with Dem's thinking that the chances of being hospitalized with covid is from 35-50+%. You guys complain about misinformation. That poll you posted is misinformation.

 

No, the poll is just a poll. It indicates that Repubs are less likely to get a covid vaccination than Dems are, which aligns with all the other information we have as well. Misinformation would be claiming that cases went up in Oregon after a mask mandate when in fact they went down.

 

The really wild part is how they have to ignore what the study says about their interpretation of the study. The researchers formally stated that it doesn't say what they think it says, but they still say it. It's kind of amazing actually.

 

Look what's happening to our friends in Australia...

 

She has a mask Rick. The video picks up in the middle and mask accusation is something typed in by whoever posted that.

 

Yup. Not the first time and won't be the last, unfortunately.

Thing is, I believe the researchers did an admiral job in pulling off an experiment in a natural setting. But so many ran with the baseless, mistaken narrative before experts had a chance to review the study. Many months later it's odd that some are still touting bad conclusions.