Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Oregon cases are at 75k per million. Florida at 166k per million.

 

No one should respond to him as long as he posts ridiculous stuff. If, by some miracle, he starts adding value then engage him.

 

Good idea. I'll try to do that in the future. I won't respond to some of the ridiculous stuff posted by some on here.

 

Well you got 50% correct. Nice job!

 

Don’t feed it

 

As to your first article, I'm not expliciting refuting any one particular recommendation, but nowhere in the article does it provide any support for its title that most pediatricians give supplements to their kids.

A couple of articles showing some of the pitfalls of supplements:

Supplements and Safety

Herbal supplements filled with fake ingredients, investigators find

Vitamins and supplements are a dangerous business - Marketplace


For years a growing up my mom would buy into some of this stuff. I'd read the literature. Over the years it seems like almost every one of the supplement studies that showed some benefit was eventually shown to be incorrect.

Some vitamins are held together with tar like substances that just don't digest that well. Most of the rest passes through to your urine. In many cases taking a vitamin by itself doesn't do much because it requires certain enzymes/coenzymes to work correctly.

 

53,000 deaths in Florida related to COVID, with nearly 20% coming within the last 30 days.

Florida Has Surpassed 53,000 Deaths From COVID-19

 

I posted this response to this question in another thread:
The fact that this one came with such Haste?
The fact that all the other vaccines have years if not decades of evidence to prove their safety?
The fact that even now we are debating which one is best?
The fact that the only one fully FDA approved for 12 and up (much less children) is likely NOT the best vaccine?
The fact that it isn't even approved for most kids yet as opposed to older vaxxes that are?
The fact that children are not directly harmed in the degree they would be from previous diseases we vaccinate for?

 

We have all let this thing get the better of us at some point. We are no better than you. Class move on your part.

Your info has been very helpful. If you need a break, keep it brief.

 

could be brain worms but further proof Tucker Carlson has lost his mind - or maybe he will just say anything to get his faithful stirred up.

 

Active cases is not a relevant measure. Why not look at new cases? On Aug 27, when the outdoor mask mandate took effect, Oregon's 7 day average for new cases was 2201. It is now at 1593. Cases have declined 28% since the mask mandate went into effect. And your own link says 'The seven-day average of daily new cases has actually declined a bit, from a peak of 2,322 on August 30 to 1,616 yesterday. This wave appears to have peaked.'

And I don't even think an outdoor mask mandate matters. I don't wear a mask outdoors. I doubt it has had much to do with Oregon's reduction in cases. Masks are useful indoors though, and maybe it's caused more people to wear masks in general.

 

And Oregon has a mask mandate and Florida doesn't.

 

I don't know. I think we should continue to correct the misinformation. Try to avoid engaging him in the inevitable insults, but patiently correct the misinformation. Like his claim that cases increased 73% in Oregon after the outdoor mask mandate. New cases, which is the relevant measure of level of transmission, have declined 28% since the mandate went into effect.

 

I'm sorry if this sounds disrespectful, but I am skeptical of the sincerity of these concerns. Why is it that mostly republicans have these questions concerns? I think it goes deeper than that and has little to do with science or medicine.

As to "haste", and lack of long term data, the vaccines were tested extensively, and had emergency approval. By the time they were available for most there was no evidence of any serious or frequent side effects. The likelihood of unknown and material side effects of vaccines popping up months down the road is almost non existent.

There are risks in life, but any reasonable assessment of risk is that it would be FAR less than the probability of suffering serious covid illness.

Which one is best is completely irrelevant. Waiting months to figure that out instead of getting whatever was available makes zero logical sense. Better to get protected as much as possible as soon as possible. Besides by the time we figured out one was somewhat better than the other boosters were on the way.

Multiple vaccines were needed just for sheer manufacturing capacity.

You are really hung up on this "which one is best". It isn't clear which one is best for 12 and up. It would be very plausible that Pfizer is better because it is a bit weaker and more diluted and more appropriate for a teenagers reduced danger to the disease.

 

The risk was taken on by those in the clinical trial, maybe a couple hundred thousand people across the trials for the different vaccines. These are the people that took the risk to establish a safety profile.

Some minor risk for those 1st in line in the "real world" distribution. But nobody was eligible then except for those most urgently in need of the vaccine (elderly, and healthcare and front line workers), so while it was a slight risk, the calculation was still fairly clear. Pretty much anyone in "wait and see" mode, was able to watch the vaccine get rolled out to millions of the most vulnerable people first. So if there were any doubts from the clinical trial, they should have been removed here.

Now that billions of doses are out there, this "not sure if it's safe" really isn't a legitimate point any more. It's sorta crazy.

 

How do we know that only Republicans have concerns about poking young kids with this vaccine?
That isnt actually generally the case. The anti-vax crowd is often far left.

For the record, support for a vax mandate for kids plummets in both red and blue states:
Majority Back Vaccine, Mask Mandates | Monmouth University Polling Institute

Only 42% or parents even support mandates for teens, imagine how low the number will be for younger kids.
Polls: Parents Support School Mask Mandates But Oppose Student Vaccine Requirements
Poll: Majority of parents against school vaccine mandates, support mask requirements

 

I get what you are saying but he will continue to post blatantly wrong info and correcting him won't make a difference. You're not going to change anyone else's mind because everyone here knows he just makes stuff up.
A lot of times I will respond to other posters that respond to him, but I prefer to treat him like an ill mannered child and just ignore.

 

Some vaccines have existed for generations. People feel safer giving those to their children.
That is the point. This thing was pushed very quickly. Named "Warp speed" for a reason. It is perfectly ok for normal parents who may feel fine taking the shot themselves to feel hesitant about doing it for their child.

 

Fair enough. It depends on my mood I guess. Sometimes I ignore too.

 

So you don't like active cases. Ok, lets go with cases per million. Maybe that will work for you. July 31 was when mask mandate started back up. Hmmm, my math isn't great but you would think with that awesome mask mandate cases would drop. Any day now, right? LOL