Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

this would be a great way to put a monetary value on these cowards' patriotism. There are mechanisms that could more precisely nail how little they care about their country. For instance, make them pick a number between $0 & $5000. Then draw a uniformly distributed number from 0 -5000. If that number is less than their pick, they don't get jabbed or paid. If it is above, they get jabbed & they get the amt they picked.

 

Are you accounting for different responses, including the evolution of virology?

 

I get an infectious disease. And right now we have drugs that provide the body a potential boost to fight it. But they also have provided a false sense of security when it comes to spreading it.

Our idiot president and his handlers actually wrote into his speech…”The bottom line: We’re going to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers.”

The spread is not being reduced by the vaccinated. The data shows is this. The drugs are lessening symptoms for people. But not reducing the spread.

Biden’s Speech on Vaccine Mandates and the Delta Variant: Full Transcript

 

That is a theory. For sure natural immunity is vastly superior to just being vaccinated. Let's deal in what we do know. Natural immunity is around 7-11 times better than just being vaccinated. Zero reason not to have natural immunity be counted just like being vaccinated.

 

So I don’t disagree that that was a poorly worded and unproven theory. Should not be basing mandates and policy on vaccinated not being contagious. I think there is some spread occurring from vaccinated living their lives not knowing they have Covid since the vaccine reduces symptoms. I do however have to point out the hypocrisy in your take though. You beat the dead horse over and over again about the asymptomatic not being contagious despite evidence proving otherwise. You still claim that “the healthy aren’t spreading this disease” over and over. Well, which is it? Sounds like you’re playing both sides here. The vaccinated are spreading it just as much as the unvaccinated you claim while also claiming asymptomatic, healthy people aren’t spreading it.

 

That's based on one study in one country. It is not 'for sure' that it is 'vastly' superior. It may be, but one study in one country does not prove it. So you hold off on making your definitive claims as well, though I know you won't.

 

In California the case rate for unvaccinated was 6 times higher than the case rate for vaccinated. So being vaccinated very likely does reduce the spread.

Coronavirus case rate among unvaccinated Californians is six times that of the vaccinated

 

It's not just one study. It has been everywhere it has been studied. And yes, it is "FOR SURE" and "VASTLY" superior. Review of 11 cohort studies with ~616K SARSCoV2 antibody+ persons followed for up to 10-months: “Reinfection was a rare event (median reinfection rate: 0.27%, range: 0%–1.1%), with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time”.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8209951/pdf/RMV-9999-e2260.pdf

 

That is based on pre delta variant data and it doesn't compare the reinfection rate to the vaccination breakthrough case rate. From the paper -- 'However, the applicability of these studies to new variants or to vaccine‐induced immunity remains uncertain.'

So that's a fail. Got anything else?

 

One group (the unselfish one) spreads the virus at a far lower rate than the other (selfish) group.

Keep trying to spin this as anything other than you being selfish. Not gonna work.

 

It will be an interesting peer review, that's for sure. The paper makes the claim that pediatric COVID hospitalization rate has remained constant through August of 2021. How can that statement and this graph both be correct?



In addition, even though the risk of CAE and/or myocarditis might be higher, we're still talking, at most, a .016% chance of developing a CAE that requires a hospitalization. And to date, no deaths reported from kids 12-16 from the vaccine, unless there is something I'm missing.

The report covers the timeframe Jan through Aug, and misses most of the rise of Delta. On a micro level, a kid infected with Delta may react the same as a kid infected with the wild type. But Delta is more infectious, meaning on a macro level, more kids will get infected with Delta. Meaning more hospitalizations. This is show in the graph above.

There's also the community spread to consider. CAE and myocarditis aren't communicable diseases. COVID is. This needs to be part of the equation. The kid might not be in danger, if he/she lives with someone who is at high risk, vaccinating the kid will protect that family member.

 

This points to one of my complaints in the reporting. We simply do not get enough granularity in the data being provided.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

You're welcome to put your spin on it. But that does absolutely nothing to help matters. Makes as much sense as making fun of or shaming. Dumb as a rock approach.

For me....it's just a sales concept and I leave it at that.

It about accomplishing the mission.

Nothing more.

$1K to get the jab.

 

just trying to help. You could call it cash for cowards, treasure for traitors, green stuff for powder puffs, lucre for the lazy, monies for morons, & so on.

 

CNN just now reported average cost for one day in the hospital is $20K per person.

$1K seems like a no-brainer......it's a business decision more than anything from my perspective.

 

Oops.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.15.21249731v2.full.pdf

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.25.21261093v1.full.pdf

Then we have this study showing how Delta is a little less protective for Delta, but not much different. So that argument fails.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2108891

 

But why do the risk at all? I have kids. If anyone has kids they need to know all the info. I can say with certainty that most don't know there is a decent sized risk for kids to get CAE from the vaccine. Larger risk than getting covid itself. That's the issue. Community spread isn't an issue for kids. That data is out there that asymptomatic kids have very minimal spread. Anyone who wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated. Let anyone under 18 not get vaccinated unless they have conditions that warrant it. Mandate the vaccine or proof of antibodies and move on with life. Absolutely do not contract trace at schools. ONLY reason to stay home is if you are sick. That should be pushed. Drop the masks. They do zero. Those who choose to not get the vaccine are taking a huge chance. That's their call.

 

So the first link is the Israel study. The second one is pre delta from February and only looks at reinfection (not vaccination). And the third one 'investigated whether persons vaccinated after a prior infection have better protection against future infection than those vaccinated without prior infection.' So it's not looking at vaccination only vs previous infection only.

So I asked if you had anything outside of the Israel study and so far you've failed to provide anything at all. Big fail.

 

Who would have guessed? Stunned I am.

CDC: Unvaccinated 11 times more likely to die from COVID-19

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced results from a study Friday that found unvaccinated individuals were 11 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people.

The research, spanning more than 600,000 people in 13 jurisdictions, also determined that unvaccinated populations were over 10 times more likely to be hospitalized — figures that underscore COVID-19 vaccines protect recipients from deaths and hospitalizations.

The study also showed that unvaccinated people were 4 1/2 times more likely to contract COVID-19 than the fully vaccinated.

 

The CDC says vaccine protection is tumbling for older Americans, though they still work very well for younger people (msn.com)

Encouragingly, the study found that even among veterans, vaccine protection against hospitalization remained high (at 95%) for those fully vaccinated under age 65 - even with the Delta variant dominating over the summer, causing some mild infections in the vaccinated.

In veterans over age 65, however, vaccine protection against hospitalization was much lower (around 80%), suggesting older adults are not as well protected from infection as others with two shots on board.

The second study measured how well all three US-authorized vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J) protect people from being hospitalized with COVID-19, taking a look at more than 32,000 hospital and ER visits across nine US states over the summer.

The data from that study suggests that the vaccines are about 86% effective against hospitalization overall, but that figure drops to 76% among adults who are 75 or older.

When people over 75 years old were left out of the equation, vaccines were nearly 90% effective at preventing hospitalization.