Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

natural immunity > 2 shots(no natural immunity)

 

No vaccines and just exposure & recovery is your preferred plan?

 

Yes I know. A few points of the study:

- the people who were vaccinated were so in Jan/Feb, and the data compiled in june/July I think. It could be that the previously infected were infected later than the Jan/Feb vaccinated giving them more recent immunity

- while natural immunity was superior, the overall numbers of reinfections/breakthroughs were very small in both groups.

- the survey relied on people's word on whether they had been previously infected. It is possible that some had mild or asymptomatic infection and were not included in the reinfected group, and it isn't clear if that would have changed the results.

 

I'll see your one shot and raise you 2.

 

Go back and read what i've said. The posts are all there.

 

I see you are trying to poke holes in the study. Not happening. Also a study out of India that I posted saying the same thing.

 

Awful that we have a governor who preaches making personal health decisions and yet hides the real time data that would enable people to make those decisions. The statistics we get here are grossly unreliable in real time and therefore no decisions can be made based in data.

 

The reality of life is this: at some point, we are all going to be exposed to the virus. Some will get sick. Some will not. Many who will not get sick will be vaccinated and develop immunities from the vaccine and or natural immunity. The hospitalized are overwhelmingly unvaccinated. So if you are exposed to the virus, who do you want to be? Vaccinated or not. Too many rolling to dice. Most importantly in the Israeli study, nobody died. Notably, it studied vaccinated with Phizer. Interestingly, Moderna triggers a much stronger immune reaction. It is a higher concentration (if you forgive my in artful expression).

 

Not trying to poke holes I study. I am stating things they explicitly said in the study / article about the study.

 

This isn’t really true for me. I’m not making day to day decisions based on covid numbers from the day prior and i doubt anyone but the chicken little types are. Trends based on weekly/biweekly numbers are sufficient enough to glean that 1) cases are way up from early july 2) hospitalizations and deaths rising logically follow

 

Your inability to read beyond that one post is on you. His position on vaccines has been very clear. (Hint: there is a search feature embedded into this site)

 

That study is what I have been contending all along. Never made sense to me the time if I had an immune reaction from the virus, why that would not be equal to or better than the immune resonate from the vaccine. Same protein. Except live protein in the virus so it would seem to trigger a more complete immune response. And one is the issues with the virus is that the immune reaction is so strong. I would still get the shot if I knew I had had the virus it trigger the more substantial immunities.

 

Me neither. But, these stories about the hospitals are out of sight out of mind for many. Realistic daily death totals might influence people to understand the magnitude of the problem. But, in any event, real time information is better than delayed information if your mantra is that people should make personal health decisions.

 

Reasonable enough.

 

Naples Community Hospital at 166% of ICU capacity. Lee Health at 99% capacity with 15 kids in ICU

 

The unvaccinated aren't the problem

Veteran dies of treatable illness as COVID fills hospital beds, leaving doctors "playing musical chairs" - CBS News

 

Contracting and beating COVID provides better protection against delta variant than Pfizer shot, new research shows (msn.com)

Contracting and beating COVID provides better protection against delta variant than Pfizer shot, new research show



Catching and beating COVID-19 during one of the initial waves of the global health pandemic appears to provide more protection against the highly-contagious delta variant than both doses of the vaccine developed by Pfizer and BioNTech.

The largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity and the protection provided by coronavirus vaccines revealed those who have received both jabs of Pfizer’s two-stick shot were almost six-fold more likely to contract a delta infection and seven-fold more likely to show symptoms and become hospitalized than those who have already recovered from COVID.

The paper, by researchers in Israel, also stands in contrast to past reports suggesting those who have been vaccinated are just as protected from the virus as those who have been infected with it.


Researchers also emphasized that a COVID survivor’s protective shield wanes over time and noted those who were previously ill and then later received a single shot of the Pfizer vaccine were better protected against reinfection than those who previously had the virus, but did not get the jab.

“This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant,” the researchers said.

 

karma taking another bite. feel bad for his 3 kids

Texas Anti-Mask 'Freedom Rally' Organizer Fighting For His Life With COVID-19 (yahoo.com)

A Texas man who helped organize protests against pandemic restrictions is fighting for his life after being hospitalized for nearly a month with COVID-19, the San Angelo Standard-Times reported.

His wife, Jessica Wallace, wrote Wednesday on Facebook that she had a “heartbreaking update” about her husband, Caleb.

“He’s not doing good. It’s not looking in our favor,” she said. “His lungs are stiff due to the fibrosis. They called and said they’ve run out of options for him and asked if I would consent to a do not resuscitate. And it would be up to us when to stop treatments.”

“My heart just can’t. I can’t imagine my life without him.”

Caleb Wallace, a 30-year-old father of three, has been unconscious, ventilated and heavily sedated in the ICU at Shannon Medical Center in San Angelo since Aug. 8, the Standard-Times reported. His wife said on a GoFundMe page for household and medical bills that he was was intubated multiple times, had high fevers, infection and bleeding in his chest.

 

Already posted above

 

My first reaction is indifference, but after reading this I feel a great deal of sympathy and sadness for his family.

"Caleb won’t make it much longer. He will be moved to comfort care tomorrow and I will get to be there with him until it’s his time to return to our father in heaven. I appreciate everyone all the good and the bad. You all have the right to feel the way you feel as Caleb once fought for his beliefs. He was an imperfect man but he loved his family and his little girls more than anything.

To those who wished him death, I’m sorry his views and opinions hurt you. I prayed he’d come out of this with a new perspective and more appreciation for life. I can’t say much more than that because I can’t speak for him"

30 years old. You just have to wonder if it will ever sink in with some people this is not a disease to be trivialized. Youth and good health aren't guarantees to avoidance.