Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Re: ivermectin I know theres that one guy whose hospital administers it. I keep following up with the people I know (which covers a few different hospitals), and they are NOT administering it at all for COVID treatment. It’s still remdesivir (and a cocktail of other things like steroids, but NOT ivermectin). The FDA pretty explicitly says not too. Now for less severe they are starting Regeneron on an outpatient basis.

One of these is a hospital that was doing the hydroxychoriquin thing early on (much to the chagrin of my family member who thought it fairly ridiculous). Maybe they felt burned by that, so are strictly following FDA recommendations now.

Heard a story of people calling the hospital asking if they could get it, that they’d go somewhere else if the couldn’t. Weird stuff.

 

You've been going around the hospitals checking the BMI of covid patients recently?

Seems that the number is likely much lower--about one-third. But no doubt obesity is a risk factor in increasing the severity of sickness and death from covid. What it doesn't do is necessarily tell us about are differences in infection rates. IOW, it may very well be shutting down travel earlier and having a healthier population explain some of the difference in hospitalization & death rates, they don't necessarily explain differences in infection rates, nor do they negate the potential effectiveness of masking or other social distancing measures.

I am curious about who this unnamed CDC person is and what exactly they said. Any link?

 

Well that is what he does. Yes, on the surface, it is odd. But this isn't a new behavior. I've seen it over the years on message boards and elsewhere. People may have differing perspectives on issues than their tribe, but there is a great loyalty to their tribe, and an even greater desire to oppose the other tribe. As a result, whatever your "opponent" says, you will find a way to argue, even if you fundamentally agree on an issue.

 

4 years ago. Thanks.

 

Good for you. And I'm serious.

That's a generally false statement. Nobody really knew how long they'd last. The need for a booster was generally anticipated. Plus there is still some discussion and debate as to how much the vaccine becomes less effective vs how much is due to changing variants.

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Absolutely true.

It is absolutely true you keep interjecting this seemingly irrelevant fact into the debate. I don't know why. So I've come up with theories. They may be wrong. But for the life of me I can't understand your motivation to keep beating this irrelevant fact.

I'll try again, why is it so important that natural immunity from the disease is stronger than the shot? What are the practical and actionable consequences of that?

Perhaps I'm wrong, but my recollection of your pattern of posting doesn't seem centrist, but it is quite possible I've confused you with other posters.

"Don't work" is a relative term. They absolutely reduce projection to some degree. Some better than others. They are far from perfect. Coupled with social distancing common sense would say they'd have some impact. Of course, between masks hanging off of noses and people wearing thin cloth bandanas they benefit is greatly muted.

I don't recall you posting anything that definitively shows they "don't work".

Yeah I'd have to go back over your posting history, which I don't plan to do. To be in the "middle" you seem to spend a good deal of time arguing with everyone here. But I'll pay attention going forward.

 

I know, right. Te CDC and all of our medical community knew about the effectiveness of Ivermectin this whole time. And still they are trying to keep if from We The People...

Yeah, that information still hasn't changed... Same Ivermectin then and now. The point is that India and now Jap[an are using it to treat their Covid patients. That's the point.

 

Ivermectin (Still) Lacks Scientific Support as a COVID-19 Drug

 

Funny, worldometer reported 8 today.

 

Tell that to India and Japan... And they did know the opposite 4 years ago as you pointed out earlier.

It comes down to two things, why are American doctors treating American patients with Ivermectin and why is the FDA and the CDC so against it? Who would you trust... your personal physician or government bureaucracy in the FDA and the CDC?

 

You don't understand how deaths are being reported now.

 

Just point me to the RCT Mask study that shows they work and i'll jump on board. I'll wait.

 

Just point me to the RCT Mask study that shows they work and i'll jump on board. I'll wait.

 

Miami Herald: 901 added deaths in FL. Largest single-day increase in pandemic history

Seems there's some reporting issues.

 

Because of how Florida misleads in their reporting. Check back in a week and see if that number for today is still 8.

 

Seems to me that Vaccine + Previous Infection > Just Previous Infection > Just Vaccine > Nothing

 

Actually, no, the Japanese have not approved Ivermectin. The same university where the properties of avermectin were discovered in 1981 are conducting a large trial of Ivermectin in Covid-19 patients. Per a Japanese news report from 3 days ago. However, just last month Ivermectin was placed on a list of drugs that have NOT been proven to be effective or safe for COVID19 patients.

That does not mean doctors are not giving it to patients out of ignorance or desperation. They are doing it in the United States as well. There is just as much ignorance in the United States as any other country, probably more. That said, it is still being done whether it is beneficial or not.

Ivermectin still not proven as COVID drug | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/26/florida-man-anti-mask-dan-bauman/

Students gathered around the entrance gate outside Fort Lauderdale High School on Wednesday morning as Dan Bauman and his daughter argued with a resource officer over the school’s mask mandate, police records show.

Fed up with the daily antics, another student spoke up. “I’ve had enough for four days,” she said, according to an arrest report.

Noticing Bauman was recording her, the student reached for his phone. Bauman swiftly grabbed her hand, twisted it and pushed her against the gate, police said. Officers pulled him off the student.

Fort Lauderdale police immediately arrested Bauman, who has repeatedly had law enforcement called on him for alleged mask violations, and charged him with child abuse without great bodily harm, according to the arrest report.

 

You can't look at what they originally reported on that day, but it came up earlier, so I wrote down the number of deaths reported on 8/18. It was originally reported as 8 deaths. Yesterday it was showing as 66 deaths (for the 18th). Today it is showing 132 deaths (for the 18th).