Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

We also got more vaccines initially than other states

 

As of course makes sense based on our age demographics. Florida has the second highest elderly population in the country. #1 percentage wise.

 

We were among the first to offer it to lower age groups to. I think it has more to do with the sort of quantity we had.

 

So my 77 year old aunt just didn't feel like getting the vaccine until April...

Problem is they were vaccinating my 19 year old niece who delivers food in the hospital in Jan over my Aunt who has somewhere in the neighborhood of 50X more risk than my niece. Some on here defended that action. My view and DeSantis's view was to vaccinate the elderly FIRST. Something I give him a lot of credit for.

 

Vaccine distribution to the states was determined by a formula used by HHS. We got what we got. The first priority was to people in the sate over 65 which went against the CDC's guidelines to vaccinate people as young as 21 who worked in "essential" jobs and people over 75.

 

No. The vast majority of people deal with an annoyance from this disease. But everyone has their story. I do. I can give you the vaccinated that died. I can give you the unvaccinated that died. I can give you the vaccinated that is still in the hospital. I can give you the unvaccinated that is still in the hospital.

All that said...most do not have that experience. And the real crazy thing is that a month ago I could count one hand the number of people I knew who had covid. If I thought about it I could get to two hands by thinking hard through even just good friends not super close friends. Now in one month I have hear it all through the circle I engage with from direct and indirect issues.

Now I am not suggesting anything by this next comment. And I still would suggest some should get the vaccine. But kind of crazy that since the vaccine...we are seeing this thing explode to the point where we all have so many stories it is hard to keep them straight with people who are having to deal with this thing in some way. Hence should give people pause.

The good news is most are fine after getting Covid. I know that does not fit the narrative. But that is what the data says. Let's stop pushing the fear.

 

Have you heard of the Delta variant? Since the vaccine was introduced cases, and deaths, were rapidly declining to the point where we had lower numbers than any point since the early days of the pandemic.

Then the Delta variant started to spread. And numbers skyrocketed. I guess technically that is a thing that has happened since vaccines were available. It also has happened since sliced bread, but neither of those are really relevant to why cases have taken off again.

 

Absolutely I have heard of the delta variant. And it should concern the mess out of people how poorly the vaccines worked on the delta. I know we will have the lesser symptoms argument fly. Without any thought of what if we had done this differently and vaccinate the elderly/overweight/immune compromised while we continue to study the potential issues of rushing out these vaccines to the masses we could be in better shape. Maybe not as there is no way to know.

I think the most likely thing going forward is going to be second and likely numerous generations of the vaccine for covid. As I don't think it is going away. And the mass rush out on this is going to complicate getting those newer generations out to fight the variants as the arise imo.

How to redesign COVID vaccines so they protect against variants (nature.com)

 

Because he keeps repeating it over and over again, as if it is some sort of counterpoint to the vaccine effectiveness. Whenever one decides to get a vaccine, or they are evaluated, I don't think they are typically compared to the effectiveness of natural immunity from getting sick. I would think most vaccines are not as good as natural immunity, but I don't know.

The point is to avoid getting sick I the first place.

It's as if I said death is more effective against reinfection than the vaccine. As stupid as that sounds it is mostly the same point.

As to 95, he says he was vaxed but he spends all of his time arguing with everyone else against the effectiveness of the vaccine, and never has anything to say about or to the antivax posters or crowd.

He wants to maintain his right wing cred. It is mostly acceptable to get the vax, but just be quiet about that and you still have to complain about it, put it down, rail against mandates and downplay it's effectiveness if you want to stay in the looney tunes club.

 

I've told anyone who will listen who is over 18 to get vaccinated. I've said the vaccines don't work as well as predicted. Still better than not getting the vaccine. You keep making up crap about me. I'll keep posting facts. FACT is those who already have had Covid are safer than myself who is vaccinated. I don't have Right wing cred. I never voted for trump in '16 or 20. I like Obama for the most part. Yeah, thats really RW of me I guess...

Masks don't work, i've argued that for a long time. I've shown data after data showing they don't work. You are anti-science for not believing it. That's ok, I see thru your partisan bs. I'm more down the middle than right and i'm cool with that. But hey, don't let a good rant go to waste. The other Bro's will be along to jump in soon.

 

Vaccinating the elderly first was everyone's view and it was done in every state. Some states did a better job of the rollout that others. DeSantis did ok early on, but now his state is lagging in vaccinations.

 

Vaccines work exactly as predicted. They are very effective against the wild type of COVID. Nobody could predict how the vaccine would work against variants such as delta, because delta didn't exist when the vaccine was created and tested. It was predicted that variants could potentially have a higher level of vaccine resistance than the wild type.

Masks work too. But only when everyone wears them, and does so correctly. This includes changing dirty masks, covering noses and mouths, and avoiding long term exposure with infected people. There are several studies that show this in a lab setting. Problem is, in the real world setting, how many people actually following the guidelines, change their masks frequently, keep their mouth and nose covered at all times, etc.? Not enough, unfortunately.

 

Good try. Almost let go of your partisan takes. Almost. The elderly weren't the priority. IF they were, then PA wouldn't have taken until April and still be vaccinating 75+ year olds who couldn't get the vaccine. Keep trying though.

 

That's quite the narrative that you have convinced yourself to believe.
If he is against the effectiveness of the vaccine....then why did he get it and say everyone over 18 should unless they already have the antibodies?

I mean to say he spends all of his time arguing "against" it when he has literally said several times he isn't against it seems a bit odd.

 

I'm telling you man. Just put it in your sig and take away their ammo.

"I am pro vax and anti-Trump" put that in there and direct them to it each and every post.

They hear what they want to and ignore the rest, yet accuse others of it in the next breath. It is mind numbing.
I disagree with you about masks because I cite that Duke study which certainly shows some positive effects, but anyone questioning your vax or Trump positions at this point are just being obtuse.

 

D-E-L-T-A...the variant is different than the original. If only we had reached herd immunity prior to delta having such a long runway of unvaccinated, unmasked people to grow and spread in

 

I read the method. It turns out that the study did do a pretty good job in it's use of control variables (age, gender, BMI, etc.). That, IMO, makes the results much more reliable.

 

How people can look me in the eyes and still say it's just the flu amazes me. The randomness of covid should resonate with anyone who doesn't have their politically brainwashed heads buried up their own ass.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...UQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1CdfXshoD208Z7MfPpl_KN&ampcf=1

 

The Duke mask study didn’t have no masks as a control. That’s why it isn’t useful. When studying efficacy of masks, it would be wise to compare places that had mask mandates in school versus schools that didn’t have mask mandates. That’s not what the Duke study did.


But the rest of what you said is spot on.

 

Meanwhile in India, Covid has entered the endemic stage across much of the country.

I guess Ivermectin really does work after all...

Explained: Has Covid-19 become endemic in India?