Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

I respectfully disagree. He has never said he is against the vaccine. Some are taking his statements about natural immunity and children and jumping to a conclusion that he has never once made that I have seen.

As for Trump, pretty sure he was very hard on him and people are just lumping him in with Trump because they think all cons love the orange guy.

 

school openings are going to spread delta to lots of kids who will then take it home to their parents. sad to say, this is only going to get worse if they do open schools up right now. glad my kids are finally out of school and qualified for the vaccine

 

As larger numbers of kids get it more kids may go to hospital. The question is do a higher % of kids get hospitalized with Delta vs the wild type.

 

Though "very very effective against reinfection" doesn't mean 100% protection, so it can still happen, yes?
Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection

Well, I hope you'll reconsider what you've been saying and become an even stronger advocate for vaccination.

 

You know what they say about people who assume.....

 

That's on you and others who like to make assumptions. I've called out DeSantis for the unemployment benefits fiasco if FL and that will weigh heavily on whether he gets my vote in the future as well as I think DeSantis could've done a better job pushing the vaccine every day(but he did push for it, just think he could've done more), but he for sure made the correct decision to prioritize the elderly first for the vaccine as opposed to other states. I think the problems in the US really started when our brilliant 2 parties put forth 3 of the worst candidates of the last 100 years in trump, hillary and biden. I rarely had an issue with Obama. Think he was a smart man and generally a good President.

 

I posted a very large study showing natural immunity is vastly better than just getting the vaccination. I've learned to take anything the CDC says with a grain of salt so i'll have to look into this study some more. The study I posted is very large as opposed to this small study.

Also, how does one become an even stronger advocate for vaccination? I'm not in media and I'm vaccinated. My kids aren't and under no circumstances right now will I get them vaccinated at this time. Maybe in 3-6 months I will revisit the data and go from there.

 

What other states didn't prioritize the elderly first for the vaccine?

 

Damn, talk about running 99 yards only to fumble at the one yard line.
Your last sentence….lol.

 

PA for sure. My mom got vaccinated in January here while her sisters didn't get vaccinated until April. All over 75. None in what you would call a LTCF. My 19 year old niece who was delivering food to rooms in a hospital got vaccinated in Jan, 2+ months than my aunt who was 77. Ridiculous.

 

I believe that all states prioritized the elderly, but not all states arranged for vaccinations in the care homes, senior living facilities, etc.....as aggressively as other states. @gator95 is correct in what he is saying. My mother, who luckily is still a liscenced RN at 80 received calls nearly every other day for weeks offering to help her sign up and get transport for a vaccine shot. Florida at least recognizes many elderly were not likely able to navigate the on-line systems. My current state of North Carolina, Dem governor, was also very aggressive in prioritizing elderly and immunocompromised.

Some states were just much more aggressive.

 

you do realize that this wildly incomplete. As far as I can tell they only compare the vaccinated to those with natural immunity wrt to infection rates, symptomatic disease & hospitalizations.

They do not account for, or factor in the 4.5m that died nor do they factor in the risk of death from getting natural immunity vs. getting the vaccine. All those things make it a very incomplete analysis.

Further, it may also be flawed. I only read the bullet pts, but if the vaccinated population is diff from the unvaccinated, it's pretty damn flawed. If I give energy drink A to the track team & energy drink B to the chess club, it's pretty lame to conclude that A > B using times in the 400m as my metric.

 

p.s. Found out this morning that my old UF buddy & best man got delta when dropping his kid at USF. He's vaxxed & sez it feels like a cold.

 

PA did prioritize the elderly (as I think every other state did) but had a poor vaccine rollout with lots of problems.

 

So? Natural immunity plus vaccine is better. Does your study disprove that, or even mention it? I've heard for months that vaccine on top of natural immunity may be the best protection and I just linked the first thing that Google came up with - and it's pretty recent, too. I'm sure there are other examples out there you can find.

You tell me. You started with "I have always advocated for anyone over 18 to be vaccinated" but circled around to "So all i'm saying is those who ALREADY have had covid don't need to be vaccinated". Now that you know natural immunity plus vaccine is better, you can rightly include those with natural immunity in your advocacy - however it is that you've been doing that.

 

No they didn't. Excuses are not what i'm looking for.

 

Go read the study I posted and get back to me.

 

Yes they did. Phase 1a was 65 and older. But you are going to argue for the sake of arguing. And I don't care what you are looking for.

 

Nah, I already know you're wrong.

 

I guess it depends on your definition of the term "elderly". In the early days of the vaccine the CDC was calling for those over 75 and "front line workers" (a very nebulous term) to get the vaccine first. States like Florida and Texas went against those guidelines and made all people over 65 the priority. A move that I agreed with and thought made the most sense since at the time the disease was by far an elderly disease with very few patients under the age of 50 dying or even being hospitalized.