Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

The side effects are kicking in strong with this one….

 

UK must hate kids...

Better late than never. US won't learn, so we are stuck with having kids fall farther behind in learning.

New UK school guidance: "Our priority is for you to deliver face-to-face, high-quality education to all pupils. The evidence is clear that being out of education causes significant harm to educational attainment, life chances, mental and physical health."

"Face coverings are no longer advised for pupils, staff and visitors either in classrooms or in communal areas." "Individuals are not required to self-isolate if they live in the same household as someone with COVID-19, or are a close contact of someone with COVID-19, and any of the following apply: -they are fully vaccinated -they are below the age of 18 years and 6 months"

"Given the detrimental impact that restrictions on education can have on children and young people, any measures in schools should only ever be considered as a last resort, kept to the minimum number of schools or groups possible, and for the shortest amount of time possible."

Schools COVID-19 operational guidance

 

Beat me to it. Was going to post this one. It addresses the binary thinkers who only care about death statistics as well as the natural immunity is all I need contingent.

But I guess Bill is a crisis actor or some brainwashed Libby.......

 

Our school district started back on the 16th, with 95 kids calling in sick with covid. Yesterday, after 7 days of school, there were 316 kids out with positive tests.

 

This is very likely to do more harm than good. I am not even sure I understand this, especially after reading the list of excepted people and activities?? This looks more like a "PR" move than anything else to me.

Oregon Gov. Kate Brown Mandates Masks Outdoors After 'Terrifying Milestone'

 

SARS-CoV-2 Infections and Hospitalizations Among Persons...

If I'm reading this right, it looks like:

3.2% hospitalization per case (vaccinated)
0.5% ICU per case (vaccinated)
0.2% ventilation per case (vaccinated)
0.2% deaths per case (vaccinated)

vs.

7.6% hospitalization per case (unvaccinated)
1.5% ICU per case (unvaccinated)
0.5% ventilation per case (unvaccinated)
0.5% deaths per case (unvaccinated)

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

Holy cow. Is this just Delta?

 

I can't say for sure, but I would imagine at least mostly Delta given the May 1-July 25 time frame.

[EDIT: Sorry, my cells are wrong! I'm correcting the information above. @BigCypressGator1981]

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

Yes you seem to be reading it right, but did you click on Figure 1? It's an example about how visually, graphs can drive home the numbers...

 

The median age of vaccinated was 64, and unvaccinated 49.

 

I'm a proponent of vaccines and masks indoors depending on settings but this is absurd. Generally against mandates but especially outdoors. What data does she have to support this? I'm not a fan of the "freedumb" fighter crowd but I don't agree with outdoor mask mandates at all

 

Yeah right.

The anti-vaxx/covid it's just a flu crowd engage in full blown motivated reasoning wrt to covid stats. Some of them so hardheaded or so far gone into loopy land that even when they or loved ones get seriously ill from covid/dying, it doesn't sway their thinking.

 

Several items. One, the UK has higher vaccinated numbers. Over 70% of the population with at least one dose. And Wales with 70% of the total population fully vaxxed. Add those with natural immunity, and there are certainly large pockets of the UK that have reached herd immunity. Let's hope it lasts.

Two. The UK school recommendation also says masks may be necessary in areas where there is an outbreak.

Three. The UK is several weeks ahead of us in their Delta timeline. It's possible, and likely that several areas of the US will see waning COVID numbers as we have areas that hit herd immunity with vaxxed plus recovered with natural. But that won't happen probably until October? Just a guess on my part. In other words, if the UK was seeing numbers like Florida is now, they'd recommend face coverings for kids in school.

 

That can't be. I'm told it doesn't spread in schools.

 

That's for the hospitalized. The median age for the entire group was 37 for the vaccinated and 32 for the unvaccinated. It would be nice to see more age-adjusted numbers, like the median age for the 24 vaccinated who died vs. the median age for the 176 unvaccinated who died. But still, some very good data showing what a big difference vaccinations make.

 

No the assertion that it is the unvaccinated who are a problem. That is just wrong.

Just got back to the home office from the practice office. Got word from one of our employees their father in law was in the hospital dealing with Covid now. Sounded like on Remdesivir. They were unvaccinated. Their choice. Picked it up at work. In fact a few picked it up from a symptomatic vaccinated person that went to work sick with Covid thinking they could not have Covid.

I would bet most here would just blame the father in law. Instead of realizing this is a much more complicated thing.

I get why the vaccinated employee showed up. People work sick all the time and we sold the idea that if you get the vaccine you are pretty much good. That is the mindset of the vast majority of normal people. And there is a good chance that vaccinated employee who spreader Covid through that office had lesser symptoms than they otherwise would have. But would they have shown up at work if we had better communication that these vaccines are failing when it comes to the spread instead of continuing to pump they are so effective? I don’t know. Would it have been better to to roll out these vaccines only for the older and immune compromised? I don’t know. As maybe that would have helped keep the spread down if people knew having any symptoms was a reason to stay home.

There is not just one way to navigate this thing. But here we have an unvaccinated person infected by a vaccinated person and I think most here would blame the unvaccinated person for getting sick. If you want to say they may not have been in the hospital if they were vaccinated…I think that is a fair to argue they would have had a better chance to avoid that. But they are not the problem for the spread in this circumstance.

 

Where did I ever say that?

 

Actually, I blame both parties. The vaccinated person for going to the office sick (who does this during a global pandemic?), and the unvaccinated person for not taking the reasonable step of getting vaccinated to limit their risk of severe illness.

 

I stated that they have no immunity (I'm specifically talking about the unvaccinated that have yet to get COVID) and are overwhelming the hospital system, thus making them the primary problem.

You responded with "no they aren't the problem" which implies that you disagree with both statements. My apologies if there was a misunderstanding.

 

timely study from LA. Vaccine versus delta was judged at 66% and information on hospitalizations / icu vax compared to non vax. two shot mRNA. I think they have a typo on ther ventilated vax patients though

U.S. data show rising 'breakthrough' infections among fully vaccinated (msn.com)

The vaccines did, however, protect individuals from more severe cases. According to the study, 3.2% of fully vaccinated individuals who were infected with the virus were hospitalized, just 0.05% were admitted to an intensive care unit and 0.25% were placed on a ventilator.

Among the unvaccinated who fell ill, 7.5% were hospitalized, 1.5% were admitted to an intensive care unit and 0.5% required breathing support with a mechanical ventilator.

In addition to the LA County data, the CDC on Tuesday released an update on the HEROES cohort study among healthcare workers that showed a significant drop in vaccine effectiveness among vaccinated frontline workers in eight states who became infected with the coronavirus.

Vaccine efficacy during the period of the study when Delta was predominant fell to 66% from 91% prior to the arrival of the Delta variant, according to the report. (Reporting by Julie Steenhuysen, Editing by Mark Porter)