Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

not at all. Study showed no increase in spread at schools in the Uk.

 

50 years ago, car drivers' manuals explained how to change your valves. Now, they warn people not to drink battery fluid.

We eradicated Smallpox and Polio, but now we have morons taking bovine de-worming medicine instead of the Covid vaccine.

We are not a serious country. Not even close.

 

Agree, but you have to admit that based on the findings, the air flow through a class room make a significant impact. The problem with comparing UK to US schools, or even US school to US school is that they are not all designed the same and thus present different challenges. For example, almost no Broward or Dade county schools are built to the "out door" model. There are no windows to open and open door just circulate air into indoor corridors. We are then comparing apples and donkeys by trying to say what will and will not work from one place to another.

 

Okay, so we can't do the open windows thing in our schools because of design limitations, was there anything else that they were able to show was effective?

 

Masks - Medical grade procedural masks. Showed an 8x reduction in spread of virus particles through reduction of aerosol spread.

 

Well, it may only be second best, but maybe we could try wearing masks?

 

And this is a big part of the problem. You start off your question being an absolute a$$.

Why don’t you tell me why a young healthy person who is at no real risk from this disease should just without caution take an experimental drug. A drug that is based on technology that has been around for 30 years and so far produced 3 approved drugs in that time (one not used anymore because a better treatment was found). I think there is a ton of potential for rna technology in drugs. But to think people without question should just take a drug when the data says the disease is not that dangerous to many people is a problem. Does that mean that all healthy and young people are wrong to take the drug? No. But people should be able to make the risk benefit decision for themselves.

Added to this…if someone has had covid. There really is no reason for them to take an experimental drug. We are seeing natural immunity is looking to be more robust.

Instead of being so judge-mental of the medical decisions people make. Let’s try to work to navigate this thing together. Your response to me is not going to help your position that basically everyone should be lining up to take an experimental drug that is leaky and appears to wane quite quickly. Trust me. It will be an uphill battle to get to that point right now as many are in no real danger to the disease. But when you start off a question like you did…most will tune you out and move farther away from where you think they should be.

 

Sorry for my starting off hostile. I am just so tired of people making the most selfish decisions on the vaccine. A young couple should take the vaccine so they dont pass it on to somebody who is immunocompromised. I took the vaccine my idiot kid didn't he missed two weeks of work. So not taking the vaccine cost him 1500 dollars.

 

I have given up trying to convince people not to make bad decisions. There are three times the number of people giving stupid advice than correct advice on the internet. Antivaxxers will listen to them over the cdc, health journals and the rest. I really just want to know why someone believes nonsense and you just spouted out more nonsense. Beam me up Scotty. There is no intelligent life down here.

 

LOL, the office manager of a dental office knows more than the CDC.

 

We don’t know that about airflow. It definitely helps, no doubt about it. But as of now, rates of infection in schools aren’t different than in the community.

 

American exceptionalism

 

Are your friends taking dewormer from a feed store, or did they get a prescription by an actual doctor?

 

mRNA vaccines have not been around for 30 years. They are new drugs that rely on research started 30 years ago. Big difference. Even under normal circumstances, it takes an average of 12 years for a drug to reach the market. The mRNA vaccines were just ready for human trials when COVID hit. Normally, we would still be in the trial phase. The pandemic has changed things, and we are now leaving the largest ever trial phase in the history of man. And with amazing results.

As to why younger people should take the vaccine? One, to protect themselves. There have been a rising number of younger people hospitalized for COVID with delta. Two, to protect others. The RO for delta is incredibly high. And while the vaccine won't stop all breakthrough cases, it does stop a significant amount of COVID spread. There is also the consideration of a new variant. The more people infected with COVID, the higher the chance a new variant will arise.

 

Ionization units in Air conditioner have proven very effective against virus- including Sara. It is too early to test and prove against CoVid but all indications are it should work on it as well.
We have one in our house and in our school buildings. In the last 18 months no child has gotten CoVid at the school and we( my family) only came down with it while traveling over the summer. I believe it works and works well.

 

Damn, that's the hospital closest to me.

 

He sounded thrilled that someone actually allowed him to speak into a microphone.

 

In regards to your point one, my question back is why does the fact that the technology has "only" been around for 30 years make a bit of difference? ACE2 has only been observed and its role understood in humans for 20 years and ACE2 inhibitors around for less time than that, and they are in widespread use around the entire globe. Side effects and all.

To your second point about immunizing children, you immunize young people for their own safety first. However, since the study just released from JAMA Pediatrics showed that 27% of children who developed COVID created secondary infections, often times in the household, you would certainly like eliminate that risk as well. Finally, because children are children, and unlike the adult population (maybe), they cannot be trusted to do the right things in terms of reducing the chance of infection because....well, they are children.

BTW, that study was completed before there was a Delta variant in the western hemisphere, so guess that the 27% would significantly increase.

Association of Age and Pediatric Household Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Infection

It is not clear to me that such data to prove this claim exists yet. There is rampant speculation that is being published over and over, but latest studies document robustness through 240 days.....exactly the same as vaccine driven protection and are showing significant declines a year out to new variants. Now, fundamentally, one would think that natural immunity would be more robust because the body is responding antigens other than the spike, but that does not immediately translate to more durable immunity, just more robust.

Further, in the handful of recovered health care workers investigated, it appeared that the durability of their immune response to the Delta variant one year after recovery was about greatly reduced against current variants, 47% of what it was shortly after recovery in this study. Yet, those who had recovered from COVID and had 1 dose of the vaccine appeared to have the strongest protection of any group, indicating that even those who recovered from earlier infections are seeing their protection wain over time and are better off still being vaccinated. A potential reason why reinfection numbers remain low in the US as compared to say Brazil, is because of the likelihood that a high number of those previously infected are now vaccinated in the US, where as reinfection is much more common in Brazil where there is virtually no vaccine roll out.

Study Suggests Lasting Immunity After COVID-19, With a Big Boost From Vaccination