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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. G8trGr8t

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    My dog took it for mange when I adopted him. We however aren't dogs.
     
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  3. danmann65

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    I have a friend who is an anesthesiologist his wife was anti-vaccine anti mask for a while. She used to go on and on about how she couldn't think straight with a mask on. I asked the hubby if he and the surgeons who are cutting in to people think with masks on. He answered don't go there.

    About 2 months ago she got her shots and now wears a mask. She calls antivax people idiots and stupid. I don't disagree but I have to fight down my urge to point out how certain she was of her last wrong opinion.
     
  4. danmann65

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    I suspect your data is correct but the conclusion you are drawing isn't. It reminds me of the old adage that most car accidents occur within 5 miles of your home. People concluded that driving on highways was safer because of that. 90 percent of all driving is close to your house. Data without thought is useless
     
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  5. danmann65

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    I don't think showing ID to vote is a horrible thing. I do think coupling these two issues is. You think you are being cute but you arent.
     
  6. danmann65

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    My Walmart closed for two days for cleaning. Alot of the staff had gotten sick including everybody who worked in the deli.
     
  7. gator95

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    Not trying to be cute, just proving a point. They asked for my ID to get the vaccine, as I’m sure they did to you. Why can’t they do the same to vote. It’s not discriminatory in any way. So it’s ok to require an ID to get the vaccine but not to vote?
     
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  8. duchen

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    Another example of the consequences of free choice decisions. Kids who can’t get vaccinated and didn’t make the choice to not be vaccinated. And we are supposed to explain to the morons how viruses spread and vaccines work. The reluctant have that information. They choose to engage in behaviors that encourage severe disease spread.
     
  9. duchen

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    Then you need to understand virology better and how vaccines work. And what we need to learn is that we have to treat this disease like diphtheria, small pox or polio and mandate the vaccines. So that the folks who proclaim their freedom to get infected and spread the disease by not getting vaccinated can be forced to make the right choice. Because the information is easily available.
     
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  10. duchen

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    BS. The data is there and has been there. For anyone who wants to see it. Why do you think anti-Fauci shirts are such a good fundraiser?
     
  11. exiledgator

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    Ask her what changed her mind.
     
  12. danmann65

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    She denies ever having been anti-vaccine or anti mask. I don't spend much time in conversation with her.
     
  13. exiledgator

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    Ah, i see. So she's crazy, but not completely stupid. :D
     
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  14. G8R92

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    While you're comparing costs, don't forget the FEMA contributions for COVID funerals. Up to $9,000 each. They're over $1B doled out with tens of thousands of applications to be processed.
     
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  17. philnotfil

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    COVID Data Tracker

    The previous peak in hospitalizations shows covid is primarily putting old people in the hospital, this peak is only slightly higher for old people, but double or triple the rates for everyone else (quadruple for 18-29 year olds). Delta is different.

    You have to play around with the settings, but here are the hospitalization rates over the last year:
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  18. WESGATORS

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    Please show me. You've seen the questions that I've asked, but I'll ask them again if you'd like. Even locally, our "pediatric hospitalizations" that are being tracked only go back to August 5th. And we need to stop blaming HIPAA, last Spring HHS put this out:

    https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/hipaa-and-covid-19-limited-hipaa-waiver-bulletin-508.pdf

    "...the HIPAA Privacy Rule allows patient information to be shared to assist in nationwide public health emergencies."

    and

    "...the Secretary of HHS may waive certain provisions of the Privacy Rule under the Project Bioshield Act of 2004 (PL 108-276) and section 1135(b)(7) of the Social Security Act."

    Don't get mad until you are certain that the communication process is working as well as it can be. Or if you are going to get mad, direct your anger at those with the ability to improve the communication process.

    Go GATORS!
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  19. WESGATORS

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    Thanks, I have seen that. The current data shows 0.36 per 100,000 vs. 0.30 per 100,000 in January for 0-17 (neither of those data points is particularly scary, but it would also be helpful to know the severity of hospitalizations as a comparison). But a breakdown of that differential by age would be even more useful. This appears to be hitting adolescents much harder than it did in January. I think the 0-12 breakdown would be useful (and further the 5-12 breakdown which would cover public school age kids that are not currently eligible to be vaccinated). At a minimum, it would likely make people feel more comfortable about the risk to their children in schools. Teachers should all be vaccinated or otherwise willing to accept the risk of not being vaccinated.

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
     
  20. WESGATORS

    WESGATORS Moderator VIP Member

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    I'd be ok with tying a required PSA to any family of someone who dies from COVID and was eligible to be vaccinated before they receive any funding to help for their care or funeral costs.

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
     
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