Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

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Why COVID-19 Vaccines Offer Better Protection Than Infection

 

It gives the reason right there in the information you posted. You really don't read the stuff you post, do you?

 

I thought that was pretty much a given at this point.

 

This piece really harmonized a lot of seemingly conflicting data and is also causing us to reassess our risk decisions even after vaccination

 

I recently saw my 85+ year old parents in FL for the first time in 18 months since we were all fully vaxed. Prior to that I really didn't want to risk transmitting to them. I plan to go again soon, but I'm starting to think I will still need to be very careful when I do go again.

 

If You Had COVID-19, Can You Get the Delta Variant? (healthline.com)
Reinfection remains rare
“We know that reinfection is not a common occurrence, at least in the short term with the original variant of the virus as well as some of the other variance,” said Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security and an infectious disease expert.

A study from the Cleveland Clinic that tracked cases in healthcare workers who were either vaccinated or previously had COVID-19 found that the rate of reinfection is essentially the same as if they had been vaccinated.

Another studyTrusted Source from Qatar similarly found that the chance of reinfection is similarly low among those who previously had COVID-19 and those who were vaccinated.

Though these studies show reinfection with variants is rare, it’s important to note they were conducted earlier this year and were not conducted in locations with a high circulation of the delta variant.

There have been reinfections, and immune responses vary from person to person.

While one person may have produced strong, long-lasting immunity after contracting the coronavirus again, another may have generated a weaker immune response.

Immunity after a previous infection “is highly variable from one person to the next — it may be barely present and not last for long for some persons,” said Dr. Richard A. Martinello, a Yale Medicine infectious diseases specialist and associate professor at Yale School of Medicine.


But in most cases, the immunity conferred from the previous infection appears to provide good protection against severe illness.

“It’s generally the rule that reinfections are not going to be severe because of the preexisting immunity that exists,” Adalja explained.

Our immune system involves many working parts: antibodies, T cells, and B cells.

Antibodies are the body’s first line of defense against infection and go after the spike protein (where the mutations in the variants are occurring).

Antibodies are our ticket to preventing even mild infections.

T cells and memory B cells quietly live in our lymph nodes and spring into action upon being reexposed to a pathogen.

T cells can recognize many different parts of SARS-CoV-2 (at least 57 locations), not just the spike protein that has made so many headlines.

T cells are critical in attacking the virus and preventing severe illness, hospitalization, and death.

 

That's some funny stuff in there. Look, i'm not calling out this doctor, but how the hell did this person KNOW that the vaccine will provide immunity for over a year? He didn't say that was an opinion. That statement alone makes me discount the rest of what he said.

 

Oh, so then lets apply the same thought process to anyone. Let's maximize the quality of the data collected. Why two different rules? That answer doesn't answer that. I think most know this but like to raise the panic flag. I said a while back the only "real" way of measuring covid is by hospitalizations. Way too many false positives at the level they are currently using.

 

My only challenge to this is that if it's true, we should see the reinfection rates start to sky rocket from their current numbers. Right now, the reinfection rates suggest that a past infection is indicative of being better protected than those who have not had it but are fully vaccinated. The highest reinfection rate I've seen presented to me was by a local doctor (who has no confirmed cases and a couple of suspected cases) and it was either 1.3% or 1.6% if I remember correctly (I do not recall where he got the data from).

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

Pretty simple, there's no money to be made in being previously infected by covid.

 

“We look forward to this upcoming year to be a normal school year, be in person, and live like normal and learn like normal kids,” DeSantis said at a news conference at Indian River State College. “There’s been talk about potentially people advocating at the federal level, imposing compulsory masks on kids. We’re not doing that in Florida, okay? We need our kids to breathe. We need our kids to be able to be kids.”

Speaking at a news conference about a new reading initiative, DeSantis said that “as of now” there are no school districts planning to require unvaccinated students or faculty to wear masks. But if there is “a campaign from Washington to try to change that,” he has spoken to House Speaker Chris Sprowls, and they agreed if they need to bring legislators back into special session “to do something from the legislative perspective, he’s all in to be able to do it.”

“At the end of the day, we got to start putting our kids first,’’ DeSantis said. “We got to look out for their education. Is it really comfortable? Is it really healthy for them to be muzzled and have their breathing obstructed all day long in school? I don’t think it is.”


Not only is he wrong on the benefits of masks, he uses terms that suggests they harm children. And not a word about the safety of school personnel. Given that Delta can get even vaccinated people really sick, and given age, my wife is now not going back, as it seems almost certain to end up there.

It would have been difficult to get kids to mask consistently anyway, but language like this creates an environment that will not be conducive at all to safety.

We are fortunate to be able to make this choice


Follow the link below to view the article.

No mask rule in schools
No mask rule in schools - Tampa Bay Times

 

Here is the latest UK data. It's not good. In the previous technical briefing vaccinated people made about 16% of the ER visits and this month the number is 31% of ER visits are by Vaccinated people.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...t_data/file/1005517/Technical_Briefing_19.pdf

 

More data showing natural immunity is very good at stopping the Delta Variant.

 

billions to be made from sick and dying people without vaccinations yet medical profession still encourages you to get vaccinated

this isn't about money or about politics. some are so politically entrenched they refuse to recognize the science and the overwhelming evidence that vaccines are safe and effective at preventing hospitalization and death

 

This is goes back to one of the problems with our communication efforts. The cost of the vaccines need to be weighed against the costs of care for those not vaccinated, and that needs to be presented in a user-friendly format and made easy to share with people (complete with resources for folks that want to dive further into it). It would eliminate a portion of the resistance to getting vaccinated.

Curious what you disagree with in my above comment (#23490...wow, this thread has a lot of posts). Is it the reinfection rate or the significance of it? Something else? If it were up to me, those hospitalized would be categorized not only by vaxxed or not, but also by known reinfection, suspected reinfection, or new case.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

I guess you can put a value on the death of a loved one. That needs to be added to the cost of care

How do you put a cost on the ptsd being experienced by the medical community as they are forced to try and keep the unvaccinated alive and deal with the trauma that each unnecessary death brings? I know of three experienced ICU nurses that have retired or left ICU wards as they couldn't do it anymore and my circle isn't that big nor infectionr ates that high in my part of the world.

How do you put a cost on the increased possibility of another variant developing that is much worse than the current ones?

tell me how you value those things

 

Since the reinfection rate is super low, so is already having covid.

 

Some Florida Hospitals Have More Covid Patients Than Ever Before (msn.com)

MIAMI — A month ago, the number of Covid-19 patients admitted at two University of Florida hospitals in Jacksonville was down to 14. Now more than 140 people are hospitalized with the virus, a tenfold increase over five weeks — and the highest number of Covid patients this system has seen since the start of the pandemic.
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The situation is worrying across Northeast Florida. The Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville is on track to match or exceed its earlier record. Wolfson Children’s Hospital has its second-highest number of admissions, 45, after reaching 57 in January.

About 90 miles south, in Daytona Beach, an AdventHealth hospital has more Covid patients than ever before. Across the AdventHealth system in Central Florida, the Covid patient load grew by 67 percent over the past week, to 720 from 430.

 

it has been detailed here many times how having had covid does not provoke the same type of immune response as vaccination. natural immunity fades faster and even those who are currently benefitting it from it will be susceptible as it wanes in the 6 - 9 month window post infection if the virus is still around