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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Jan 20, 2020.

  1. chemgator

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    Things have changed in Taiwan. They went from 5 cases a day a week and a half ago to 335 new cases yesterday. Still fairly mild compared to Miami (which has a similar population density to Taiwan's cities) or the state of Florida (which has a similar total population), but the cases are increasing exponentially. They have had a total of over 2,000 cases officially, although there are rumors of the government hiding the true numbers and punishing counties that try to screen the population for Covid. My wife's family is telling her that things are in quite a panic over there right now.
     
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  2. gatordavisl

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    Yep - my wife's family is telling her the same. Apparently the vaccine is not as readily available and their choices are limited, making people more leery about receiving it.
     
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  3. G8trGr8t

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    Indian Serum Institute of India just told the world to take their contracts and pound sand with them, no shipments for you until October or later.

    EXCLUSIVE: India unlikely to resume sizable COVID-19 vaccine exports until October | Reuters

    India is unlikely to resume major exports of COVID-19 vaccines until at least October as it diverts shots for domestic use, three government sources said, a longer-than-expected delay set to worsen supply shortages from the global COVAX initiative.

    The Serum Institute of India (SII), the world's biggest vaccine maker producing the AstraZeneca (AZN.L) vaccine, responded by saying that it hoped to restart deliveries to COVAX and other countries by the end of this year.

    "We would like to reiterate that we have never exported vaccines at the cost of the people of India and remain committed to do everything we can in the support of the vaccination drive in the country," SII said in a statement.

    Battling the world's biggest jump in coronavirus infections, India halted vaccine exports a month ago after donating or selling more than 66 million doses. The move has left countries including Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka and many in Africa scrambling for alternate supplies.
     
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    Europe should be opening up very soon, that will be nice. We had to cancel our anniversary plans last month to Austria, looking to go next year. Be nice to resume business travel to the Netherlands and rebook my trip to Scotland, a country I have never been to.

    EU agrees to open borders to vaccinated travelers
     
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  5. chemgator

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    It probably didn't help that the president of Taiwan refused to get the vaccine.
     
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  6. G8trGr8t

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    Japanese citizens are revolting against holding the Olympics. Can't understand why every athlete, coach, and trainer can't be fully vaccinated in time
     
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    Right, they are having a “wave” but seems like the Olympics could be managed by having tourists kept out (already long decided) and having the athletes get vaccinated.

    Without the vaccine, holding the Olympics would almost be as absurd as Desantis calling for a “full house” at the Super Bowl...this past year. But with the vaccine it seems doable even with the chart looking kind of bad. Should be noted Japan has been slow to roll out the vaccine to its own people though.
     
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    Punishing counties that try to screen? That seems an insane mistake to make at this point considering their “success” up to now was due to them being overly restrictive and 100% following protocols to contain the virus.

    Maybe if they eventually get vaccines out it doesn’t matter, but it’s still basically playing with fire.
     
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  9. chemgator

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    Taiwan has been a pretty good success story against Covid so far, but politicians being politicians, they wanted it to look like an even better success story, so they try to pretend there are fewer cases than there really are. I worked for five months in the county that was allegedly punished, and its a rural county with small towns scattered about. I don't know what they were worried about, except for possibly other more populated counties wanting to follow suit.
     
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  10. chemgator

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    India has more problems than just the Covid outbreak. Thousands of their recovering Covid patients are dealing with something called black fungus. Their weakened immune system can't fight it. Over 90 have died so far.

    'Black fungus' in India: What we know about the disease affecting Covid patients - CNN

     
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  11. gatordavisl

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    Update in Taiwan, where the virus was quashed but an outbreak is occurring.

    total cases - 3,862
    new cases - 323 (this is a huge number, given the overall low number of cases)
    total deaths - 17 (this number was 11 for about six months, with no new deaths until recently)

    Word from my in-laws is that they are facing the U.K. variant. My SiL just received the Astrazeneca vaccine, because of her work in the medical industry. They appear to be about 5months behind the U.S. on vaccines.
     
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  12. chemgator

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    Taiwan is also facing a drought of historic proportions. Coronavirus may not be their biggest concern right now.

    According to this article, they have not had rain in 18 months, which is astounding. Sun Moon Lake in the center of the island is completely dry. This should be the middle of monsoon season, and there is no rain (and apparently no rain during last year's monsoon season, and none from hurricanes last fall). They are having to truck in water for the computer chip industry. People in central Taiwan have their water turned off two days a week.

    Trucks of fresh water used to feed Taiwan's semiconductors as crops left to die in punishing drought

    It might be time to look at desalination facilities, as hard to believe as that is.
     
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  13. G8trGr8t

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    More evidence pointing to possibility that covid escaped from Wuhan lab. China is trying to hard to hide the truth makes me think that it may have actually escaped from the lab. Three employees all got sick enough to have to go to the hospital in November but China is refusing to release any of their data.

    What happens if it is proven that it did escape from the lab? What should the world do? What will they do?

    Intelligence on Sick Staff at Wuhan Lab Fuels Debate On Covid-19 Origin (msn.com)

    WASHINGTON—Three researchers from China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology became sick enough in November 2019 that they sought hospital care, according to a previously undisclosed U.S. intelligence report that could add weight to growing calls for a fuller probe of whether the Covid-19 virus may have escaped from the laboratory.

    The details of the reporting go beyond a State Department fact sheet, issued during the final days of the Trump administration, which said that several researchers at the lab, a center for the study of coronaviruses and other pathogens, became sick in autumn 2019 “with symptoms consistent with both Covid-19 and common seasonal illness.”

    The disclosure of the number of researchers, the timing of their illnesses and their hospital visits come on the eve of a meeting of the World Health Organization’s decision-making body, which is expected to discuss the next phase of an investigation into Covid-19’s origins.
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    David Asher, a former U.S. official who led a State Department task force on the origins of the virus for then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, told a Hudson Institute seminar in March that he doubted that the lab researchers became sick because of the ordinary flu. “I’m very doubtful that three people in highly protected circumstances in a level three laboratory working on coronaviruses would all get sick with influenza that put them in the hospital or in severe conditions all in the same week, and it didn’t have anything to do with the coronavirus,” he said, adding that the researchers’ illness may represent “the first known cluster” of Covid-19 cases.
     
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  14. g8trjax

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    Yeah, don't post that wu flu propaganda on facebook/twitter/youtube or it'll be a lifetime ban for you. ;)
     
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    Factcheck.org

    Interesting back and forth between Paul and Fauci. In depth discussions about the dispute by factcheck.. interestingly enough they come to no conclusion.

    Paul grilled Fauci about whether the lab and NIH funded coronavirus 'enhancements'.

    The Wuhan Lab and the Gain-of-Function Disagreement - FactCheck.org
     
  16. chemgator

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    The rest of the world will do what they always do. Wait for the payoff from China to keep their traps shut. If that doesn't work, China has had reasonably good success with threats and extortion--err, I mean, gentle persuasion.
     
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    I have very little doubt about this. As I have said before, the virus doesn’t spread outside, which is an indicator that it “learned” to spread and pass into tissue indoors. That also refutes a jump from an outdoor species to humans. Most viruses pass outside because animals are there. And it is quite adept at infecting multiple tissues, which points to experiments on those tissues. The virus is not engineered, but the escape from the lab theory is more likely.
     
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  18. G8trGr8t

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    Lots of third world countries owe China a lot of $$. I could see an international court awarding damages that China would refuse to pay but could be a legal basis for countries to dispose ofvthe debt they owe and China would be left with no legal recourse
     
  19. chemgator

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    Apparently, the latest thing is for tourists to come to the U.S. from Latin America to get their Covid shots.

    Vaccine tourists are coming to America - CNN

     
  20. chemgator

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    What I'm hearing is that Taiwan is refusing to buy anyone else's vaccine, and is committed to making their own, which may or may not start to be available in August. (They are in round 2 of testing the vaccine.) The reason behind this seems to be that the president has spent much of her career history and has investments in biotech, and is either going to make a ton of money on this decision, or is rewarding friends with this. Rumor has it that she has appointed her own relatives (in-laws) to the government ethics watchdog agencies, so no official complaints are expected.
     
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