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Cheney becoming GOP de facto leader

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Trickster, May 11, 2021.

  1. jhenderson251

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    Liz Cheney is a perfect example of a better product with worse distribution, and she's probably going to lose her fight, because those with better distribution will target to destroy her before she can build a competitive platform and drown them.
     
  2. gatorknights

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    The Greed Over Principles party is exposed wide open. Yet a segment of them will deny it while clinging to the orange one's jock. Denial ain't just a river in Africa.
     
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  3. BLING

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    The alternative would have been for McCarthy to NOT bend the knee to Trump after the insurrection. McCarthy actually was critical of Trump the insurrectionist... for about 24 hours. Then within basically weeks he went down to FL to kiss the ring. What a leader! If he didn’t do that, and the #2 in the house spoke the truth. Then there would be no “division” with the #3 who won’t accept Trumps garbage. It would be easier for her to “ignore” if others weren’t still in full embrace. How can a party remain united around lies?
     
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  4. GatorBen

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    Because everything you referenced happened 5 months ago. She’s not getting removed from leadership for what she thought 5 months ago, she’s getting removed from leadership because she won’t shut up about it and stop picking fights with members of the caucus now.

    My point is that the GOP isn’t benefiting itself in any way from relitigating that fight now, and if they had someone in leadership who sincerely thinks that’s the most beneficial thing the GOP can be doing right now, they were right to remove her from leadership.
     
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  5. BLING

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    So letting the inmates run the asylum and hope for the best? This is what we call a failure of leadership, and the failure isn’t on Cheney’s shoulders... it’s on those who continue to embrace misinformation as strategy.
     
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  6. danmann65

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    I hope that over time this cult of personality over Trump will fade. Hopefully, the Trump years will be remembered with shame soon.
     
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  7. g8rjd

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    Recognizing the need to address the incitement of an insurrection at the Capitol to assault our democracy is SO five months ago…
     
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  8. g8rjd

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    Sadly, historically that is the exception, not the rule. Failed coup attempts without consequences are just practice.
     
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  9. GatorBen

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    No, just don’t engage on MSM talking points. There are next to no GOP voters out there who think the most important thing the GOP can be doing right now is reminding us that they never really liked Trump, so stop trying to make the Washington Post write a glowing profile of you and move on to doing what you got elected to do.
     
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  10. g8rjd

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    Which is a lot of words to say that the Republican mascot should be changed to the ostrich.
     
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  11. GatorBen

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    It’s a lot of words to say you’re probably not going to win elections by trying to keep people who want to see you lose elections happy. ;)
     
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  12. BLING

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    If at least a few dozen more house members had the balls to join the impeachment, and likewise in the Senate (this shouldn’t have even been close, should have been a 100-0 issue) this would have been over and done with. The problem isn’t Liz Cheney.
     
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  13. g8rjd

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    Ah, so you’re saying that a lemming is a better mascot. Got it.
     
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  14. GatorBen

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    It’s not a battle that there is any conceivable benefit to the GOP to relitigate.

    We’re past it and Trump is sitting in Palm Beach being mad at his phone for not letting him post on Twitter. Take that victory in the fight to move on from Trump and actually move on, don’t keep voluntarily trying to reinsert the party into a fight that’s going to piss someone off no matter what you do.

    That’s not a hard line to walk, and the vast majority of Republicans in Congress have managed to figure out how to do it at this point. One of the small handful who can’t (on either side) doesn’t need to be in leadership.
     
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  15. g8rjd

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    Except that we aren’t past it. The party is fighting to try to dilute any accountability for what happened. The minority leader of the House is going to Trump to kiss his ring. The party is still making fealty to Trump and his lies and gaslighting its litmus test.

    I mean the party doesn’t even have a platform. Literally. No platform. Just “whatever Orange Caligula wants.”
     
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  16. GatorBen

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    Republicans are remarkably good at being an opposition party.

    Center what they’re doing in Congress around “nothing Confused Joe wants” (even if that’s the entirety of the platform) and stop looking for land mines to step on is probably nearly all they have to do to retake the majority in at least one house.

    Having someone in leadership trying to get them to scold themselves instead of just focusing on doing what they’re good at isn’t helping themselves.
     
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  17. PD

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    Cheney defiant as Republicans oust her from leadership for rebuking Trump

    And there it is. One of the last few remaining conservatives in the QOP is stripped of her powers, making her basically nothing but a talking head like MTG.

    It is clear the Dems don’t have to do anything to hurt the QOP; they are eager to do that themselves. How ironic that Putin weaponized the QOP to destroy American democracy, and in the end our democracy held, and all Putin did was destroy the QOP.

    But the work of the Dems is far from over. The nationwide siege on voting rights is just the ongoing coup attempt that started at the Capitol in January. If the Dems don’t pass voting rights legislation, in 2024 the QOP legislatures in swing states are planning to overturn any state certifications of Democratic candidate wins. They are planning to do in 2024 what the violent mob and the QOP Congress tried to do at the Capitol in January: subvert our democracy and steal an election.

    They found out in January that they couldn’t get away with it by force, so in 2024, they will try to do it through unconstitutional legislation. The legal challenges to these illegal laws between now and then will tell the tale of whether, as Ben Franklin suggested all those years ago, we can keep the republic.
     
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  18. AzCatFan

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    The R party is past the 2020 election? Then WTF is currently going on in the Veterans Memorial Collesium in Central Phoenix?

    If the QOP party was actually moving on from the election and the insurrection, removing Cheney might make sense. But most of the QOP is still trying to prove the election was fraudulent and the insurrection was just a R picnic gone a little awry. In this atmosphere, it makes Cheney seem like the rational, adult in the room.
     
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  19. g8rjd

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    Except that isn’t what they’re doing. They’re doing exactly what I said they are. One need look only in Arizona to prove it.

    And retaking the House is more going to be the result of their control over state houses whether by gerrymandering or by using his big lie to suppress votes they don’t like.

    Because they’ve stopped being about persuading through policy, as your own post plainly admits.
     
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  20. g8rjd

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    This is the third thread discussing this PD.