Covid-19: Treatments, Cures, and Vaccines

Has JNJ released their underlying data yet? It has promise and it's logistically easier since it's 1 shot, but 85% effective against serious cases and 100% effective against hospitalizations is certainly encouraging.

 

I have not seen that published either in summary form or paper form. But the CEO was on CNBC and according to him the safety results were much cleaner that the mRNA shots.

So, if is affords me 85% protection against developing a severe illness with less of a probability of having a complication than the others, even if it is on part with the flu vaccine (which is not without side effects in some people) then in my personal view I would take it tomorrow.

Edit: Listened to the chief Scientific Officer of Janssen (J&J vaccine development arm among other tings) and picked up just a bit more clarification and positive news.

Talked about the South African stain: 6000 people were vaccinated in S Africa and while ~ 45% contracted COVID, fewer than 11% developed severe COVID and still 0 people dies. Of those who contracted it, 90% had the so-called S African strain.

Maybe I do not understand, but that, to me, sounds like this can still be like a Flu Shot. You may get the disease from a strain, but the impact on your body is far less.

Also, he reaffirmed that they had no Anaphylaxis across their entire 45,000 patient study.

Finally, confirmed that J&J will meet its 100,000 doses to the US by the end of the year as promised.

 

Preliminary data showing mRNA vaccinated people are less likely to transmit the virus. If these finding are confirmed and the demonstrated across larger groups this will be hailed as great news.

Vaccinated people less likely to transmit coronavirus, Israeli study suggests

 

So wearing masks after being fully vaccinated is worthless.

At some point most people will be vaccinated, if people choose not to get it that's on them IMHO, but that doesn't mean the rest of the country has to mask up or stay home...

 

I would be fine with a little extra mask time just to allow stragglers to get vaccinated but yeah, I'm going to be resuming a completely normal life at that point.

 

I bet half of America won't get the vaccinated

 

Well then they are on their own if they forego it. I'll have no sympathy.

 

Isn't this the hope for every vaccine, that it also prevents forward transmission? Until the science proves it one way or the other though, one cannot say.

Also, while community transmission is still off the charts, and as no vaccine is 100% effective in preventing COVID, why not wear a mask as the number of vaccinated goes up and hopefully the number of active infections out in the community continues to go down?

Personally, I do not give a damn about anyone opting out or opting in. It is currently individual choice and right to be ignorant in this country, just as it is individual choice and right to accept or decline a vaccination. I am not in favor of compelling anyone.

 

The latest polls put that number closer to 70% will. Amazing change in a short time as a concerted campaign to EDUCATE has already begun, vs the active campaign to feed ignorance undertaken by our disgraced former president Trump.

 

Did you mean 100M doses?

 

Everbody who refuses should have to pay their medical bills for covid infection. They can forget about international travel without quarantine to lots of countries

 

I agree with your last paragraph and would add, though, that it's a time-dependent consideration. I do not give a damn about folks opting out once we have all had a chance to be vaccinated. Until then, I worry that the people who think the vaccine is poison will be the first to throw their masks away and let it all fly. I do give a damn if we haven't had the chance to be vaccinated at the point when they are making those decisions.

 

Got you by 10 posts!!

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I personally don't care who gets it. I myself won't be getting it. Polls don't mean much these days

 

Sorry it doesn't work way. Yes most countries will require it to travel for now, good thing for me I don't plan on leaving the US anytime soon

 

What a nice thing to say, someone who doesn't believe in the vaccines or what about their not permitted to take it for medical reason's

 

They are still on their own. At some point normal life has to resume and it seems that the world has more or less agreed upon the vaccine distribution as the catalyst for a return to normal.

For the record, I have more sympathy for someone who is medically unable to take the vaccine than I do for someone who doesn’t “believe” in it.

 

Damn, just when you thought putin couldn't get any lower...
Iranian ayatollah says COVID-19 vaccine has turned people into 'homosexuals'

 

Do you feel that way about people who refuse all vaccines?

Should we not let anyone into the country who isn't fully vaccinated on our vaccine schedule? (not just talking COVID)