Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

CDC did come out and say what was it like 15% actually died of Covid? CDC also said don't wear a mask...

 

That is because who they did the trial on didn't focus on the elderly, which it clearly should have. We have no idea what this vaccine will do. Anyone stating otherwise is wishful thinking or hoping it goes ok.

 

Let's look at some suicide data. I already showed you data from Massachusetts, which you didn't like because it didn't show you what you wanted to see. Just released, data from New Mexico:

Despite COVID-19, NM suicide rate is steady, LFC says

How about Oregon and Washington:

Public health agencies watching for rise in suicides during pandemic, but not seeing it

How about a published scientific study of the topic?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(20)30435-1/fulltext

 

Yes, it would be counted as a diabetes death. If it's listed on the death certificate as a contributing factor, then it'd be counted.

 

They oversampled the elderly (16.5% of the population is over 65; 23.33% of the trial was over 65):

Covid-19: Moderna vaccine is nearly 95% effective, trial involving high risk and elderly people shows

 

You can't even get the misinformation correct

The number was 6%. But it wasn't that 6% died of Covid, it was that 6% died of Covid without any other factors.

 

I am not making light of a single death, just stating that it doesn't make any sense that we have hundreds of thousands of extra deaths, a documented pandemic that preys on the elderly, yet you and others continue to pretend that COVID deaths are being wildly exaggerated for some nefarious purpose i.e. money. Where your logic fails is that the normal deaths are still counted and all of the COVID stuff is extra. You can't simply say "anything and everything" is counted as a COVID death when the extra matches up. I would agree with you if the COVID deaths were in the 500,000 range yet extra deaths were where they are.

 

this is also a side effect of the flu vaccine. Also some people just develop it unrelated to taking anything.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...icide-rate-keeps-rising-among-young-americans

Pandemic’s effect on already rising suicide rates heightens worry - Roll Call

I can do this all day. I posted facts and findings as well.

 

FastStats

So there was only 85k Diabetes deaths in 2018? Especially if they are counting it anywhere on the death certificate as opposed to the leading cause.

 

"Gaming the system" is an accusation of fraud. And you have no evidence. As has been explained to you multiple times, the money is not based on a person dying. The entities paying out money to hospitals to help treat Covid patients have access to the complete record. An asymptomatic shooting victim with Covid would receive the same amount of additional money as an obvious Covid death that took the same amount of time.

 

Yes I do. Motorcycle accident got labeled a Covid death until there was an outcry of what the hell and then they changed it. Stop being naive that all doctors and healthcare centers are on the up and up. If you believe that then good luck little lemming.

 

Read the article. No data on the actual numbers of suicides compared to previous periods.

The washington post front page?

This is about a rise in suicides from 2007-2018. What does that have to do with the pandemic?

I already showed you the updated data from New Mexico, which was the first example on that older article. It didn't show an increase. However, as pointed out in this article, we didn't have actual data to back any conclusion at the time of that article (which is why the article relied on small-scale snapshots like Los Alamos (population: 12,000) rather than statewide data). We are starting to get that data, and it doesn't show what you said it would.

Honestly, given that you linked an article on data from 2007-2018, an article with no data, and the Washington Post front page, you clearly didn't even bother reading what you posted.

 

A single mistake is not evidence of systematic fraud, especially when the person recounting it is motivated only to find mistakes in one direction.

 

Looks like 40k get bells palsy every year in US. 40k / 330m is .01%

Weird.

 

You stated i had no evidence, then produced such evidence and now you are calling it a mistake. There are literally hundreds of examples of people complaining a loved one got labeled Covid on their death certificate when they didn't even know they had Covid nor any symptoms. But i'm sure those are all "honest" mistakes. And those most likely only cover a small portion of cases.

 

No, you didn't provide evidence of fraud. Is every death certificate filed perfectly? No. There are millions of deaths. There will be mistakes. There is no indication of fraud in that case, much less systematic fraud.

John Hopkins COVID study: Car crash deaths not reported as COVID | wusa9.com

 

Mental Health, Substance Use, and Suicidal Ideation During the ...


Elevated levels of adverse mental health conditions, substance use, and suicidal ideation were reported by adults in the United States in June 2020. The prevalence of symptoms of anxiety disorder was approximately three times those reported in the second quarter of 2019 (25.5% versus 8.1%), and prevalence of depressive disorder was approximately four times that reported in the second quarter of 2019 (24.3% versus 6.5%) (2). However, given the methodological differences and potential unknown biases in survey designs, this analysis might not be directly comparable with data reported on anxiety and depression disorders in 2019 (2). Approximately one quarter of respondents reported symptoms of a TSRD related to the pandemic, and approximately one in 10 reported that they started or increased substance use because of COVID-19. Suicidal ideation was also elevated; approximately twice as many respondents reported serious consideration of suicide in the previous 30 days than did adults in the United States in 2018, referring to the previous 12 months (10.7% versus 4.3%) (6).


Defense rests.

 

No data on actual suicides. I showed data on suicides that actually occured. Which is better data to answer the question of the impact of the pandemic on suicides: data on the number of suicides or data on anxiety disorders and suicidal ideation?

Just as a note: suicidal ideation does not equal suicide.

 

This is starting to sound eerily like the Election Truthers.