Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Yes, is something that is on line 3 or 4 usually attributed to that specific cause of death? For example, Someone dies of stage 4 pancreatic cancer, had a Covid+ test but no symptoms, had diabetes and had congestive heart failure. Would diabetes labeled as a death by diabetes? Doesn't matter where Covid is on a death certificate, they count it.

 

They list it and count it because COVID was likely a contributing factor. Person was going to die anyway. Heck, we all will some day. But if you get COVID, and the attending believe you may have survived longer had you not been infected, then COVID belongs on the COD. That's how it works. That's how it's always worked.

 

Why was it likely a contributing factor? That is the problem. I gave an example of someone who had no symptoms but will still be classified as a covid death.

 

Not to nitpick little details, but you did not give an example, you completely made one up to fulfill your narrative. In case you weren’t aware, that’s pretty much how conspiracy theories work. Yet, you claim not to buy into those theories.

 

Have fun explaining this one. Everyone died of COVID! Let's adjust it to 8 million deaths.

 

Can you state for certain this man would have not lived longer had he not contracted COVID? Can the attending say so? If they can't, for sure, say he would have absolutely, 100% died even if he had not contracted COVID, then you have an argument that COVID doesn't belong on the COD on the death certificate. If not, then COVID must be included, as that is the standard. And it's the standard because it is the only way to be consistent, across the board. Otherwise, you'd have attendings making judgement calls on every case where there may be contributing factors, and there is zero consistency.

 

Where does it say “died of Covid” on there? I can’t find it...

 

LOL, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. We don't think this had anything to do with this guy dying but heck, we get extra money by labeling it a Covid death so lets go with it. We aren't even going to discuss the ridiculous PCR test that is a complete sham.

I mean heck, if someone dies in a car crash, lets label them Covid, we don't know that Covid didn't cause the car crash... See how stupid that is?

 

Easy, it is labeled as one of the "300,000" Covid deaths in the US.

 

Why would anybody here explain it? Neither you nor I have any medical history of this patient. You are speaking from ignorance on that case and asking everybody else to do the same.

 

So you trust everything you see. Got it. Good to know. Everything is Covid then. No big deal. Keep trusting those PCR tests also... Hey, if it says it's positive then you definitely have Covid according to you. Good to know. Thanks for not accusing me of lying in your last post. Improvement over yesterday.

 

Well it's pretty easy to not care about labels for extreme circumstances when we actually have more excess deaths than we do COVID deaths. All other diseases have huge ranges of estimated deaths. Something is killing people by the hundreds of thousand and it isn't suicides and drug overdoses.

 

No, not everything is Covid because many death certificates this year dont list Covid. As such, they aren't Covid deaths. But it is a pretty sick game to go around posting people's death certificates on the Internet because you think that somehow, with no medical history, they prove a point. You are accusing the doctor who signed that document of fraud, with no actual evidence. And you are posting somebody's death certificate to try to do that, even though it is not itself evidence of fraud without an extensive medical history.

 

Until you get a medical degree and become the Surgeon General or head of the CDC, then your opinion might carry some weight. Until then, I'd prefer we continue to go with the current CDC guidelines about how COVID is listed on death certificates. If you read the guidelines, it states the Underlying Cause of Death (UCOD) should always be listed as part I. Part II is other conditions that are likely or may have contributed to UCOD, and COVID should be listed in Part II if the attending physician believes COVID was likely an underlying condition that cause the UCOD.

COVID isn't the only disease that gets listed on Part II more than Part I. Alzheimer's is rarely, if ever, a disease listed in Part I, because most Alzheimer's patients die of stroke and lack of oxygen to the brain, or renal failure. While these are the UCOD, they happen because the person has Alzheimer's 999 times out of 1000. But for consistency reasons, you put Alzheimer's in Part II because the time, energy, and resources to figure out if the patient would have died regardless of Alzheimer's isn't worth it.

It's the same with COVID. There may be a small amount of people out there with conditions that would have died without COVID and have it listed on Part II. But the amount is miniscule, and would hardly change the overall numbers. Likely less than 1% of the 300,000 dead from COVID fit this description, and even at 1%, that's only 3,000, and saying 297,000 from COVID instead of 300,000 is a distinction without a difference.

 

But if a 90 year old nursing home resident dies after taking the covid vaccine, well they were just going to die anyway. Funny how that works,

 

That is likely true, given that the Covid vaccine hasn't been shown to commonly cause side effects that would accelerate death. If the Covid vaccine starts doing things like lowering oxygenation or circulatory symptoms, then we will likely see it show up on death certificates.

It turns out that different things are different.

 

Are you asserting that the covid vaccine causes death in the elderly? In the absence of said assertion, your post is a logical fallacy. Is that what you're asserting?

 

Yes, it's many people dying of things because they didn't see a doctor and people dying from overdoses as well as suicides(even though you and others continue to make light of the numbers). It's not right to slap a Covid label on anything and everything like some are doing.

 

No, I'm accusing some doctors and hospitals of "gaming" the system by labeling anyone who has a positive PCR test as Covid+ when that is a complete sham. They are incentivized to do it and that's the issue. Then you have the stupid anyone with 60 days having a positive Covid test is labeled a Covid death. Doesn't matter if they were asymptomatic or not they get slapped with a covid death. You and anyone who is ok with that are part of the problem.

 

An interesting potential side effect of the coronavirus vaccines: Bell's Palsy. Apparently, there is a 0.01% chance of getting a temporary version of Bell's Palsy, which causes one side of the face to droop uncontrollably.

The COVID Vaccine Could Temporarily Paralyze This Body Part, FDA Warns

It's surprising that one person developed the Palsy after taking the placebo.