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Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. LouisvilleGator

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    I wear one of these everywhere I go. It has a face mask.

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  2. gator95

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    You are the one doing a disservice to people by convincing people everything is ok if you just wear a mask. It’s stupid. Facts don’t care about cosmetic theater. But you keep thinking masks solve everything. That’s really working out well.
     
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  3. mdgator05

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    So what is the effect on spread rate of a mask (i.e., if you have a mask and covid, what is the spread rate of your infection compared to the spread rate with no mask and covid)?
     
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  4. gators81

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    I played your game, I worked your made up number that they’re 1-2% effective. That’s a huge contrast to everything you just typed. I’ve said over and over that they’re not 100% effective. I said over and over that anything is better than nothing. Where does any of that align with your claims in this post. Answer my question rather than continuing to make shit up and dodge it.

    Is 1-2% more than 0?

    What do you gain by fighting your fight against masks?

    Those are the only questions I care to be answered. If you type anything else but direct answers to those two questions, just skip quoting this post or any others from me from here on. If you avoid actually answering what I’ve asked again I’ll assume you have no answer and are nothing more than an immature dbag with nothing better to do than troll message boards.

    Thanks, I’ll hang up and listen.
     
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  5. gator95

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    You can’t fix obtuse I guess. If you think 1-2% is useful then I don’t know what to say. Some people are lemmings. Can’t fix that. You keep thinking masks will solve it. Good luck with that.
     
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  6. gators81

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    And by avoiding the questions yet again you’ve shown who you are. Why are they so difficult for you to answer?
     
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  7. 96Gatorcise

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    'At least' four COVID-19 strains in Ravens' facility

    OWINGS MILLS, Md. -- The Baltimore Ravens on Saturday said they were informed by the NFL that "at least four unique strains" of COVID-19 were found inside their facility during the team's outbreak.

    "Three of the four were stopped and not spread within our organization," Ravens president Dick Cass said in a statement. "Unfortunately, the fourth was a highly-contagious strain and spread throughout our organization."

    The outbreak in Baltimore was one of the biggest in professional sports.
     
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  8. homer

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    Will one vaccine work on all four?
     
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  9. 96Gatorcise

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    my thoughts exactly
     
  10. BigCypressGator1981

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    LOL @ “you can’t fix obtuse”

    you don’t say
     
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  11. gator95

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    Ohhh burn! You got me good with that one...
     
  12. 96Gatorcise

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    12/5 - 208,790/2251

    First time since the beginning that there has been a 5 day stretch of over 2000/day

    The 1st 5 days of December:

    1,057,077 cases /13,456 deaths

    If the rise continues:

    By Friday 300,000 deaths. by the 1st of the year 340-350,000
     
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  13. BLING

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    Supposedly yes, since the vaccines entirely block the spike protein (by pre-emptively getting your body to produce those proteins, having these vaccine induced proteins attach to the cell receptors the covid virus “looks” for when infecting a person, means the virus can’t attach and replicate, i.e it can’t actually infect a successfully vaccinated person).

    I recall the vaccine people saying early on, due to the nature of this virus, *if* they could find an effective vaccine it would likely be effective across all different mutations of the SARS-Cov-2 virus.

    Can a virus start attacking different cells? Seems like if it was that easy to just block the spike proteins, we’d have a similar vaccine that could target just about any particular virus, I’m sure it’s not that easy. But so long as all 4 strains fundamentally work the same way it could be. Supposedly there’s a helluva lot more than 4 different versions overall. I guess if a mutation started attacking in a totally different way, that’s where this vaccine might not work. No idea if that is possible or not, I just recall some experts commenting that due to the structure of THIS virus that a vaccine would likely cover all possible mutations, unlike what we have with influenza where there are a and b strains. Of course this was just opining at the time based on the scientific understanding at that time (and this was months ago), it’s not like it was set in stone. Hopefully
    it holds up.
     
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  14. vaxcardinal

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    A face shield is not a replacement for a face mask. if worn, it should be in additional to a face mask.
     
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  15. vaxcardinal

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    extra strains probably came from all the rats in baltimore ;)
     
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  18. LouisvilleGator

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    There is a reason large swaths of California are being shut down. It's not due to the fact that the ultra libs out there aren't wearing masks. It's due to the fact that even with masks, it still spreads like wildfire.
     
  19. LouisvilleGator

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    The issue here is that if masks only slow the spread by 2%, how many more people are spreading the virus, because they're assuming with a mask everyone is protected? It's lulling people into a false sense of security. Could you imagine if condoms only stopped STD spread by 2% versus not wearing a condom at all? That is my main issue with the masks. Sure, in theory, they may slow the spread a bit, but they are being marketed as having the effectiveness of a condom and that's clearly dishonest. People are clearly spreading even with wearing masks religiously.
     
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  20. gators81

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    2% is obviously not accurate. It’s a number made up with zero basis by a message board troll. I worked with that number because even if that were accurate, which we all know and understand that it isn’t, it would still be greater than zero. If it’s greater than zero its more effective than no mask. He refuses to answer that question because he knows he’s wrong and is too cowardly to admit he’s wrong, he’s just doubling and tripling down on his ignorant narrative. No one is selling it as 100% effective. Let me repeat that, no one is selling it as 100% effective. There are plenty of explanations as to why there’s still spread. First of all, not everyone wears one. Second not everyone wears them properly. Third, not everyone wears a legitimate mask. Fourth, many people that claim to wear them only wear them places that require them and don’t wear them anywhere else. I’m sure there are many more explanations that I’m not listing, but I’m fairly confident in saying that if everyone wore a real mask when leaving the house the spread would be less than it is now. It would also be less than if no one wore a mask.
     
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