Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

No. That would be the assumption of a liberal who can't accept that his government control is an abject failure. You have to make leaps like going to the grocery is the same thing as getting behind the wheel while drunk.

 

Some of what you said I totally agree. For one we need to keep schools open. Kids as we know now are at very, very little risk of developing COVID related complications. If we have to sacrifice our health for their futures, then so be it. We just need to do a better job to make it as safe as possible to reduce the risk of kids passing on the disease as much as possible.

The second part I disagree with though. If hospitals are overrun, it'll affect everyone who needs hospital services, not just those with COVID. Again, look to East Asia. Their economies are booming again, while we're looking at a bleak winter. You can't have a good economy if you've got an uncontrolled pandemic. You're just gonna get a lot of deaths on top of a lot of bankruptcies.

 

Appreciate your note on the schools. To me, this seems glaringly obvious. What an epic fail on our leaders parts in keeping large swaths of our nation's schools still closed.

On the second part, as I have said here many times before, we are not East Asia and should never seek to be. If you want to give up your civil liberties and rights, then by all means, move to East Asia. Even in the so-called "free" nations over there, people's privacy is regularly compromised by the intrusive government. So if that's what you want, I'd invite you to go live there, because we will never allow that to happen here and thank god we wouldn't. It is not a coincidence that all the major western democracies are having the biggest problems with Covid. That doesn't mean we should change either. It's a virus, it sucks, but we shouldn't allow it to burden our democracy. We also don't allow wet markets here. Just thought I'd throw that in there...

 

So wait, "government control is an abject failure," but you want it to stop drunk driving?

 

Eh, our privacy is regularly compromised by Google, FB, etc. and I'm sure the NSA, CIA, FBI, and whatnot can access whatever they need if they want to as well. Privacy is not the same as democracy, neither is liberty, I wouldn't conflate these very different concepts. SK, Japan, and Taiwan have very robust democracies. I also don't know how you can believe we have widespread election fraud but our democracy is better than theirs.

There are things we can learn from them, and we need to be ready for change. Let's not forget that China was once the center of world economy, but they thought so much of themselves and their traditional ways that they rejected offers of modernization from the West. What followed was what the Chinese term a "century of humiliation". Having some humility is a good thing, and what worked for a few hundred years might not work for the next few hundred. Be ready to change, or risk being left behind by a world that'll change with or without you no matter how successful you are or have been.

 

Yeah, not sure I follow his point/logic either. So a law on the books indefinitely is less government control than restrictions for 4-6 weeks?

 

Can kids pass the virus to teachers?

 

So, because we test more than others, testing more won't work?

 

Just think about how much less the virus would spread if we could all test ourselves before leaving the house every morning. You test negative, cool, more than likely you are and can live your life surrounded by other people that should have also tested negative before leaving their houses as well. You test positive, stay home. There’s no such thing as too much testing, that’s just not true no matter how many times Trump says it.

 

Why don’t we just setup a veritable police state and get it over with?

 

Why? Why aren't they allowed the freedoms that other Americans enjoy?

 

I was thinking more along the lines of, if you want to patronize a private business they could require proof of a negative test. Your idea is so much better though, thanks for the suggestion!

 

I have no problem with a private business making that call. Problem is, most of them will realize how ridiculous that is when their patrons go to nearly zero. Very few people are going to go get a Covid-19 test just to peruse a shop. But thanks for illustrating just how ridiculous you are being about the entire ordeal.

 

Has the constitutionality of drunk driving been challenged that I am not aware of? Was it successful?

 

No, no one will “go get a test” just to go shopping. That’s not what I said. The post you quoted from me said it would be great if we could all test ourselves daily before leaving our houses. This isn’t ridiculous at all, if cheap, rapid tests were widely available as promised months ago it would absolutely reduce the spread.

 

You're being ridiculous. I cannot think of one virus, one disease in my lifetime that the government has given me an at-home test for that produced results in literally minutes (which is what it would have to do to be convenient to most people and effective), but somehow, within 8 months of the introduction of a brand new virus, we are all supposed to have these at home kits and be able to test ourselves with ease every day. All the while saying this, knowing no other country has even tested at our per capita levels, let alone provided their people with at home test kits that give results within minutes.

If I was posting stuff like this, the reactions would be predictable. He's "just trolling". Hell, the tests actual doctors are giving at the hospital to patients they are sure have Covid-19 are coming back negative in many cases, after several attempts. I mean, why doesn't the government just write us all a check for $10,000,000 while they are at it? Since they can do the impossible, why not??

 

Can they? Sure, but my understanding is that cases have been rare, and with better safety measures (i.e. better ventilation, more PPEs, staggered classes, etc.) we can make it even safer.

 

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Helpful.

 

First of all, the government doesn’t have to “give” them to us. I would gladly pay for these tests. As an essential worker that has gone to work every day since March, I would happily pay for peace of mind knowing if I’m infected or not. Second, if I’m not mistaken, the technology exists and many said we’d be better off investing in developing tests like this for mass production instead of fast tracking a vaccine that a significant number of people will question its safety.