Actually, that's untrue. We don't know if the 2nd time is due to the virus still with the person or they have inactive virus in their system. They do know the 2nd "round" is nowhere near as bad as their 1st round. Lots of questions need answers. Let me add, there appears to be some evidence that those that have had 2 rounds of Covid had minor symptoms the 1st time around and may suggest that their immune system didn't mount a defense and so no antibodies were created to combat the virus. So the 2nd time tends to be far worse. Still, in almost all cases they never tested for antibodies.
Again, how many were tested? So you're telling me Sweden knows exactly how many people have had Covid or exactly how many have antibodies? See how stupid that sounds? Was it peer reviewed? You like to question other studies but not one that goes along with your pre-conceived notions. Got it.
Last I saw, they were testing 400 per week. No, official government statistics are not usually "peer reviewed." Who would be the peer? A different government? No, they have a point estimate of the population based on a random sample, not an exact number. That is how all statistics work.
Not necessarily. It doesn't seem everyone is susceptible to getting COVID-19 a second time. Worst case look like 15%, which would make the maximum efficacy of a vaccine at 85%. Even if there is a 10% drop if efficacy of the vaccine due to normal effects, that still makes the vaccine 75% effective, meaning we'd reach herd immunity if enough people got the vaccine. There is also research into why some people get the disease a second time. Could be something to do with the original triggered immune response. If the vaccine triggers the response that gives immunity, and not the response that leaves a person susceptible to a second infection, then the 15% rate that could get sick again wouldn't even factor into the vaccine efficacy rates. Still a lot more we don't know about COVID-19 than we do know at this point.
So then I guess 15% is herd immunity since cases in Sweden have dropped from a high of 1,800 a day to 60 yesterday. That's a decent sized drop. Deaths have fallen off a cliff as well.
looks to me that people are getting tired of waiting 3 to 4 hours to get tested, then waiting 7-10 days for the results.that long of a wait totally defeats the testing, you are mingling with people not knowing if you are positive or not, why the backlog in getting results, are the labs that screwed up?
Several things have happened beyond herd immunity that could have accounted for the drop in cases and subsequent deaths. This includes grade schools closing for the year, and the fact a good portion of the country takes the entire month of July off for vacation. It's a tradition that dates back a long time. Couple this with Swedes self-isolating because they didn't like the early COVID-19 results, and the drop could have more to do with people not interacting with other at the same level as they were back in May.
Or as pointed out, this is a more complicated story of a population that is uniquely capable of dealing with the pandemic for a large variety of reasons combined with the fact that they are still generating more than ~2x as many population-adjusted cases as comparable countries like Norway and Finland.
You keep bringing up other countries. I don't care about them. I care about herd immunity. Don't care how they got there either. Sweden wasn't self isolating at all.
According to the Swedish government, they are. Social distancing and markedly reduced travel in Sweden
That was from June. And Sweden's GDP numbers show a different story. Sweden's economy hit less hard by coronavirus
The Swedish school calendar runs late August through early June. Class hasn't been in session for about two months. And here's an article about a good portion of the country taking holiday in July. Add in the last article how Swedes are taking it upon themselves to social distance, and you cannot definitively say the Swedes have reached herd immunity. Maybe six weeks from now, if numbers don't increase. But if they do increase, it's likely because more Swedes are going back to work, and school is back in session.
So are we allowed to care about other countries again then? Sweden's GDP slumped 8.6% in Q2, more sharply than its neighbors despite its no-lockdown policy Their GDP numbers fell by more than the other Nordic Countries.
Huge reach. Sweden compared to every other country in Europe is more open. Not even close. Yet their cases have dropped off a cliff. No denying that.
Huge reach? We know behaviorial changes like shutting down will cause the COVID curve to flatten. What's happened since June in Sweden? Schools have shut down for the summer. Swedes themselves have taken it upon themselves to socially distance, and a good portion of the country took the month of July off. What have other countries done that compare to these three things all happening in Sweden that would have either caused their COVID-19 curve to go significantly up or down? At this point, to claim Sweden has reached herd immunity is still wishful thinking that hasn't been proven out yet. Maybe it will prove out? Maybe it won't. We'll likely find out soon enough.
I'm not saying it did or didn't. I'm saying anyone claiming to know 1 way or the other is full of crap.
from that article The results also suggest that, while more of society remained open than in other parts of Europe, plenty of Swedes still chose to stay away from shops, restaurants and gyms. ie self imposed distancing and isolation. the fact that 40% of Sweden lives in single person household makes them different from most every other country in the world too. Much easier to isolate.
