Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

This is an overlooked part of the article. Last sentence.

“Only a year or two after the pandemic, however, can experts fairly judge what was done correctly, the authors said.”

It’s so easy to point fingers, but this is new. I can’t blame any gov for how they choose to handle it.

 

You have no idea if they hit herd immunity or not. Neither do I. But if Sweden was indeed around 15%, then you need to follow the CDC who believe that cases are anywhere from 6-24 times reported cases.

Actual Covid-19 case count could be 6 to 24 times higher, per CDC study

 

That is based on case tests, not serology tests. The 15% is based on serology tests. We don't have 6x-24x the serology numbers having the disease. I doubt Sweden has had between 90%-360% infection rates...

 

It has been documented in cases around the world that people have had covid 2 separate times. Herd immunity is a myth with this disease

 

You might want to tell a bunch of the doctors from the NYT's article. I'll go with their claims over yours.

 

Did you know that nearly 40% of Swedish households are single member households? That is a crazy stat I read somewhere that is so relevant to any discussion of Sweden versus other countries.

Sweden: number of households by type 2019 | Statista

The number of households in Sweden in 2019 amounted to around 4.7 million. Among these, the most common type of household, around 40 percent, was the single-person household without children, which amounted to around 1.9 million. The second most common household type was cohabiting or married couples living without children, in around 1.1 million households.

 

link? date of article?

 

Don't buy the 15% there bud. What was the sample size tested? Was it peer reviewed? Why did Sweden all of sudden drop in cases if they didn't hit some type of herd immunity?

 

NYT article was from a dozen statisticians. You want to believe that best case scenario and discount WEBMD and Royal Society of Medicine.


Sweden's COVID Policy Didn't Create Herd Immunity

Authorities predicted that 40% of the people in Stockholm would get the disease and develop protective antibodies by May. The actual prevalence, however, was around 15%, according to the study published Aug. 11 in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine.

"It is clear that not only are the rates of viral infection, hospitalization and mortality [per million population] much higher than those seen in neighboring Scandinavian countries, but also that the time-course of the epidemic in Sweden is different, with continued persistence of higher infection and mortality well beyond the few critical weeks period seen in Denmark, Finland and Norway," said researcher Dr. David Goldsmith, a retired physician in London.

Experience suggests that severely infected COVID-19 patients acquire antibodies immediately and during early recovery, but antibodies are much less common in only mildly ill or asymptomatic patients. This means they are likely not immune, and can't prevent the spread of the virus, the study noted. This is central to the concept of herd immunity.

 

No. Very flawed logic there. It's ok. Herd immunity is real. Why else would the virus die out so fast? Luck? Come on man. Use your brain.

 

You do not understand what herd immunity is....

First, no one claims you can get it twice.

Here is what happens:

1. You catch Covid-19
2. The body fights it and creates antibodies
3. The antibodies die off about 3 months after
4. You catch Covid again
5. T-cells recognizes the same proteins and actives B-Cells
6. B-Cells create antibodies
7. You fight off the virus much faster and thus have much milder symptoms if any at all which means a much smaller window to spread the virus

Once enough of the population has it, the viral load in any community gets so weak that it dies off or can barely be detected. It is what happens every year with either a common cold coronavirus or the flu.

Here are some really cool articles and videos on the matter:


This video is very awesome or the channel in general.
Nothing political at all... just medical info.

New Data on T Cells and the Coronavirus

People who had SARS back in 2003 had T-Cells activated to fight Covid-19 which is amazing.

 

Where has the virus died out that did not implement strict controls?

 

Who would have thought?
Coronavirus Cases Drop 46% In Parts Of S. Carolina With Mask Mandates Compared To Areas Without

Chris Sununu, a Republican, the latest to issue a mandate Tuesday, saying he was concerned after seeing images from the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in South Dakota. Every state without a mask mandate has a Republican governor.

 

Sweden.

 

I'll go with WEBMD over any one single practitioner. He makes a compelling case but the hardest thing to know is what you don't know and I am sure he is overlooking or dismissing items that contradict his beliefs/conclusions.

COVID-19: Herd Immunity and Reinfection
But health experts don't yet know whether we really do become immune to COVID-19 after we're infected. And if we do become immune, we don't know how long that might last.

Most people who've recovered from COVID-19 do make antibodies against the virus. But so far, there's no evidence that this will protect them against the virus if they're exposed to it again.

In South Korea, more than 160 people tested positive again after they had recovered from COVID-19. In China, 5%-10% of people tested positive again after they'd recovered, according to news reports. It's not clear whether:

• These people got infected again
• The virus reactivated in their bodies after being quiet for a while, or
• The test results were flawed

 

The populace implemented their own controls independent of a gubmnt mandate when they saw what the gubmnt approach was costing them, 40% of them live in single member households, and they are still having 500+ new cases daily. Death rate ahs dropped as treatments have advance but the virus has not disappeared

The problem with holding up Sweden as an example for coronavirus response

 

So guessing you didnt take time to watch the video or read about the most recent studies... AKA your mind is shut to anything new.

Herd immunity DOES NOT mean you have immunity. It means that the population gets to the point that the virus cant last long enough on anyone to spread...

We know anti bodies only last about 3 months. The fact that T-Cells from 2003 from those who fought SARS are activating to fight Covid-19 shows just how long our memory cells last.

Why do you think there are companies now trying to create a T-cell test since that would help us better know how much of any given population has had the virus.

This is microbiology 101... there is no evidence that is coronavirus or any coronavirus for that matter mask its self like HIV.

 

Pure crap. Making excuses why the cases dropped like a stone in Sweden. Own controls LOL. Schools are open. Keep making stuff up. It will stick sometime soon. Why did Arizona cases drop like a stone? All I hear about is Arizona residents not wearing masks out and about and people saying cases will continue to go up? Same in Florida. I keep reading that people aren't taking it seriously. Either they are or they aren't.

 

He has it in his head to keep spreading fear so that Trump will lose in November. Nothing else matters. He's convinced himself of that and does a 2 second google search but then doesn't even read what he linked.

 

It looks like you can get COVID-19 twice, but that's not the norm. And it looks like the 2nd time around is worse than the first. Two things at work here. One, is COVID-19 mutates and two, it's close enough to other coronaviruses that certain strains can trigger a body's immune response the first time.

What the best guess to what happens is, first infection in people who have recently had a different coronavirus, COVID-19 triggers the response, and the person quickly recovers. But then if the person is later hit with a mutated version, the body's immune system reacts, but can't fight the mutated version as well as the first version, so the immune system goes into overdrive and causes complications.

Hopefully, the vaccine works for all forms of COVID. This would, in theory, stop or at least significantly slow down the people who get the disease twice.

As for the drop in Arizona, all bars, gyms, and pure recreational areas like water parks are closed. Restaurants were dropped to 50% capacity, and while there is no statewide mask mandate, 85% of the cities have one, which covers about 95% of the state's population. There is evidence that the mask wearing did help slow down the spread in Arizona.

We'll see what happens in Arizona, as there are some school districts that are opening up today for in-person classes. Including Queen Creek, which is a suburb in SE Phoenix, that is the biggest district opening in the state today. The other large districts are all waiting until the state reaches, or at least comes close to hitting the Governor's metrics to open up, which isn't expected to happen until October at the earliest.