Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

This is almost an incomprehensible tragedy. And yes, details are vague about why exactly this girl died and what affected her or how. Never the less, a 6 year old with Covid-19 died and it is tragic.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article244763092.html

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichol...a-as-state-shatters-death-record-tuesday/amp/
More Young People Are Dying Of Coronavirus In Florida, As State Shatters Death Record Tuesday

 

Latest CFR numbers for FLORIDA:

5-10: 0.0088%
11-13: 0.0279%
14-17: 0.0263%
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15-24: 0.0260%
25-34: 0.0571%
35-44: 0.2031%
45-54: 0.4312%
55-64: 1.2754%
65-74: 4.3781%
75-84: 10.701%
85+: 21.027%

(the oldest age groups have gone up a little as the cases counts have slowed and the deaths are still catching up)

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

Made it back out to Brewer Loop yesterday - this time with the dog and the wife. Duluth lift bridge is at lower left.

 

What are the raw numbers? I'm just estimating, but if there are 540k cases in FL, then more than 1,000 people aged 35-44 have died. That's horrible. And I know your post was directed at a question about "young people," but this is considerable. How many people have claimed that we should simply shelter the elderly and those with conditions at home? This is just Florida we are talking about.

 

I'm on record as expressing my concern with respect to the hospitalization numbers. I don't think CFR is sufficient because it doesn't just suck to die, there are a number of burdens associated with just being sick with it, let alone needing to be hospitalized. I only pointed out the CFR numbers because I don't think it's accurate to express that the rates have gone up for young people.

The numbers can be seen here:

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/state_reports_20200811.pdf

35-44 have 180 deaths in 88,638 cases.

I do think that we are not scrutinizing the do-it-yourself component of the impact of the virus enough. A lot of us who are overweight and/or may have other risk factors associated with the severity of the disease need to blame ourselves before we blame others should we find ourselves ill with this disease (in many ways, this applies to how we raise our children to respect their elders as well). We've had nearly a half-year to make lifestyle adjustments to this thing. How well have we done? I think that's a valid question to ask, and obviously, not everybody has something they can do to better their position...but most do.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

Thanks - I wasn't challenging your numbers or your position. I was interested in what the numbers mean. It appears the CFR %s you posted were age specific, not for the entire case population. So 180 deaths is certainly much better than 1000+. I don't agree with your idea about blaming ourselves. Nobody (other than virologists) anticipated this disease. We haven't experienced anything like it in our lifetimes. Also - many have immune deficiencies due to no fault of their own (ex. some with rheumatoid arthritis or lupus, etc.
I blame us for the way we have (or rather have not) reacted.

 

nursing home infections directly related to number of cases in community. more evidence that the only way to really protect nursing homes is to reduce the viral load in the community.

Face masks and previous vaccines may hold down Covid-19, some researchers say

Cases spiked in nursing homes due to community spread, group says
Covid-19 cases rose rapidly in US nursing homes in July after a steady decline in June -- signaling a serious risk to an especially vulnerable group of people, a health organization said Tuesday.

The jump in nursing home cases was due to an overall jump in cases in the general population, and it should spur the US government to take steps to protect the homes, the American Health Care Association and National Center for Assisted Living said.

"We need public health officials to focus on reducing spread within the larger community and prioritizing long term care for resources," including personal protective equipment, testing and staff support, Mark Parkinson, CEO of the AHCA/NCAL, wrote to CNN on Tuesday.

New weekly Covid-19 cases in nursing homes dropped from 9,072 at the end of May to 5,468 by June 21 -- but then rose to 8,628 for the week of July 19, the last week for which data is available, the group said. The group cited data collected by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. The report said this confirmed fears the group had: That cases would rise in nursing homes as they spiked in the wider community across the country from June to July.

 

Fascinating numbers and thank you for posting these.

 

Couple more from Matanuska Glacier. The aqua colored spot in the picture is a hole where water was flowing into. dropped a string with a weight and it was deeper than the 30' long line the guide had. The whole area is ice, some rocks on top of black ice in places but the whole place was part of the glacier


the brown looking space is all ice with a inch or two of water on top



kids getting tubed by an ice wave

 

How many people react perfectly to something they've never experienced in their lifetimes? Especially when the supposed proper reaction is to turn the world upside down and wreck economies? We've shut down our schools here until Sep 28, but dine-in restaurants are still open. I mean, come on.

 

I didn't suggest we could/should have reacted perfectly.

 

There's quite a gap between "perfectly", and handling things like Baghdad Bob (trying to claim at the same time everything is perfect, even though the numbers say otherwise, and the guy was actually counter-messaging against the very recommendations put forth by the CDC and his own administration).

Dine in shouldn't be open, not at capacity anyway (not here in so fla, don't know where you are) But then again you were probably arguing for them to be open everywhere. So what is your point?

 

I'm a believer in you never do anything perfectly. There's always room for improvement. But Trump's early COVID response was disastrous. Had he followed the playbook left by W. and Obama, I'm sure mistakes still would've been made. But we'd be in a much better position today. To say Trump's response wasn't perfect is like saying the 1962 Mets got off to a bit of a rough start. They finished the season 40-122.

 

Sensible people understand the POTUS was trying to limit panic, which was the right move. Fauci has already said the POTUS accepted his recommendations back in March.

I am in KY. I do think it's incredibly silly to open restaurants at 25% capacity or some other arbitrary percentage, which has been what is going on here. Yes, I would support them being open 100%. There are a few points in there. First, we're saying on the one hand that it's unsafe for kids to go get their education, but wanna go out to get a bite with friends? Sure!! Secondly, it illustrates the reluctance that even Democrat governors have to do what many of you are claiming should have been done in the first place, but somehow Trump is the villain. When you open restaurants to 50% capacity and then you come back and say ooops! we need to go to 25% capacity, you're admitting your culpability. Trump didn't have anything to do with that decision, that was on you, Mr. Governor. Do the governors have blood on their hands too? Are they Baghdad Bobbing it too?

 

If you move to 50% and then go back to 25%, that seems more like reacting to reality than "admitting culpability".

That is exactly my point. Bagdad Bob doesn't admit prior errors, doesn't adjust his views to facts on the ground, or adapt to reality. Bagdad Bob insists there are no American's tanks in Bagdad. AKA, the virus is a hoax, hydroxychloriquine is the miracle cure, children are immune, etc.

 

‘A Smoking Gun’: Infectious Coronavirus Retrieved From Hospital Air
Airborne virus plays a significant role in community transmission, many experts believe. A new study fills in the missing piece: Floating virus can infect cells.
A research team at the University of Florida succeeded in isolating live virus from aerosols collected at a distance of seven to 16 feet from patients hospitalized with Covid-19 — farther than the six feet recommended in social distancing guidelines.

 

such a ridiculous headline.
First, since deaths have been about 2 weeks behind cases, it should not be a surprise we have an uptick in deaths. Fortunately we are well behind NY and NJ in deaths.

Second, they use a huge age range. When you say young than go from 25-44... come on man (thx Biden lol).
35-44 age group has a total 180 deaths with 88,638 confirmed cases for that age group. That’s .203%...
The next young group is much lower than that.

The media and their headlines have made this virus so much worse.

 

Here is the NSC playbook:
Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook

Some key points to remember, Trump was briefed on the virus in late Jan twice. That is when intelligence started telling TRump that they think China is lying about the virus and that it’s likely spreading worse than what they are telling the world and The Who.

Also keep in mind there were 2012 reports that show Obama was warned the N95 mask stockpile was not sufficiently filled after the 2009 outbreak. He didn’t do anything about it.

So now you have the playbook, tell us what Trump should have done starting Jan 31st. Try your hardest to not use what we know now.

 

If he had worn a mask in public and encouraged Americans to wear masks, that would have made a significant difference and cost absolutely nothing.